Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

dreamcatcher 31 Aug 2013 21:58 - 28558 of 28564

"MPs have privately begun to voice concerns that their leader made a catastrophic mistake by engineering the defeat of the Government’s motion in the House of Commons on Thursday night. That's the sentence that hits home with me Chris."




PRIVATELY?

They have being doing it for months.

They just can't find where they left the knives.

Same here DC... what a shitty saturday.

Anyway your all missing the point.

This vote against Camoron was engineered by back bench Tory MPs who want rid of Camoron and the Eton outfit surounding him.

Itl come out later, you mark my words.

30 plus Tories who couldnt be assed to turn up. Redwood meeting with 5 other tomorrow.

The writing is on the wall.


Camoron is an arogant liar who deserved to get a bloody nose.

By nature IM a true believer in responsible capitalism, Blair brought that back to the labour party and we had 10 good years.

Brown ruined it, like Camoron thinking about his own personal agenda.

If the Tories get a decent leadership without the snobs I and others can still save them from a humiliating defeat at the next election.

I call for Mick Portillio to step up to the plate.

The 'listening post' on Cyprus and in the rock at Gibraltar are very important for intelligence intercepts. I know someone who worked at both. He was trained in Arabic and the listeners would sit for hours studying phone and radio traffic. The US has already said that it has recordings of high ranking military in Syria planning the chemical attacks. I believe Israel supplied some of the intercepts as well as the UK.

So good to see you Chris debating real politics rather than the Hilary type baby clap trap. WELL DONE.

The current Labour party as its stands in my view will not defeat the Conservative party at the next election. lol

Bring it on. lol

Someone please tell BILL....... haystack we ARENT going to war.

Camoron cannot do a U turn on his thursday closing call. GET IT.......DOPE.

Like others here have said he'd never be trusted again it would be political suicide.

Ed could land in do do , who knows, may all just backfire,

Ed has just done a whopping u turn saying don't abandon the Syrian people.

DC yes they will with this present lot of tories.

Dont forget on the day it all comes down to how much the middle ground have in their back pocket, and at the moment its nowt but pennies.

Not only that but watch out for % rate rises.

Already the Canadian is under pressure on this topic.

DC I think Cynic is a t--t.

O/T United or Liverpool tomorrow???????.

United by the odd goal.

Washington Post

Three days before the rockets fell outside Damascus, a team of Syrian specialists gathered in the northern suburb of Adra for a task that U.S. officials say had become routine in the third year of the country’s civil conflict: filling warheads with deadly chemicals to kill Syrian rebels.

The preparations, as described by U.S. intelligence analysts, continued from Aug. 18 until just after midnight on Aug. 21, when the projectiles were loaded into rocket launchers behind the government’s defensive lines. Then, at 2:30 a.m., a half-dozen densely populated neighborhoods were jolted awake by a series of explosions, followed by an oozing blanket of suffocating gas.

Unknown to Syrian officials, U.S. spy agencies recorded each step in the alleged chemical attack, from the extensive preparations to the launching of rockets to the after-action assessments by Syrian officials. Those records and intercepts would become the core of the Obama administration’s evidentiary case linking the Syrian government to what one official called an “indiscriminate, inconceivable horror” — the use of outlawed toxins to kill nearly 1,500 civilians, including at least 426 children.

Pulling back the curtain on some of the United States’ most sensitive collection efforts, the Obama administration released on Friday its long-awaited intelligence assessment of the Aug. 21 event, explaining in rare detail the basis for its claim that Syria was behind the release of deadly gas, the grisly effects of which have been documented in more than 100 amateur videos.

The four-page assessment and accompanying map revealed for the first time how communications intercepts and satellite imagery picked up key decisions and actions on the ground.

In choosing to release the document, White House officials anticipated the likely comparisons to the famously inaccurate intelligence reports from a decade ago that claimed that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was actively pursuing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. Secretary of State John F. Kerry, in his remarks on the release of the intelligence assessment, said White House officials were “more than mindful of the Iraq experience.”

“We will not repeat that moment,” Kerry said. “Accordingly, we have taken unprecedented steps to declassify and make facts available to people who can judge for themselves.”

The document proposes a possible motive for the attack — a desperate effort to push back rebels from several areas in the capital’s densely packed eastern suburbs — and also suggests that the high civilian death toll surprised and panicked senior Syrian officials, who called off the attack and then tried to cover it up.

“We intercepted communications involving a senior official intimately familiar with the offensive,” it says, “who confirmed that chemical weapons were used by the regime on Aug. 21 and was concerned with the U.N. inspectors obtaining evidence.”

% rate rises are argued very soon or as late as 2017. gf- ''DC yes they will with this present lot of tories''. They will not with the present leader or Ed balls, they have no trust from the British public.

Yep are u sure though.

Latest and first poll after Thursdays vote........ Labour lead of 8%.


Up frm 5%.

These small %s now are the norm and mean a great deal more through accuracy of the polls of 10 years ago.

Anyway goodnight all.

Sick of mainstream TV these days.

Total crap. I see the shite factor has started again tonight.

Time to get the ale out or go night fishing.

Seee ya,

So you would vote for these two gf if they were still about come the election ? Go on. lol

There are alternatives..

No alternatives that could get elected.

gf
Wrong again

Update: Labour lead at 4
by YouGov in Politics
Fri August 30, 6 a.m. BST

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 29th August - Con 33%, Lab 37%, LD 10%, UKIP 12%