Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Washington Post

Three days before the rockets fell outside Damascus, a team of Syrian specialists gathered in the northern suburb of Adra for a task that U.S. officials say had become routine in the third year of the country’s civil conflict: filling warheads with deadly chemicals to kill Syrian rebels.

The preparations, as described by U.S. intelligence analysts, continued from Aug. 18 until just after midnight on Aug. 21, when the projectiles were loaded into rocket launchers behind the government’s defensive lines. Then, at 2:30 a.m., a half-dozen densely populated neighborhoods were jolted awake by a series of explosions, followed by an oozing blanket of suffocating gas.

Unknown to Syrian officials, U.S. spy agencies recorded each step in the alleged chemical attack, from the extensive preparations to the launching of rockets to the after-action assessments by Syrian officials. Those records and intercepts would become the core of the Obama administration’s evidentiary case linking the Syrian government to what one official called an “indiscriminate, inconceivable horror” — the use of outlawed toxins to kill nearly 1,500 civilians, including at least 426 children.

Pulling back the curtain on some of the United States’ most sensitive collection efforts, the Obama administration released on Friday its long-awaited intelligence assessment of the Aug. 21 event, explaining in rare detail the basis for its claim that Syria was behind the release of deadly gas, the grisly effects of which have been documented in more than 100 amateur videos.

The four-page assessment and accompanying map revealed for the first time how communications intercepts and satellite imagery picked up key decisions and actions on the ground.

In choosing to release the document, White House officials anticipated the likely comparisons to the famously inaccurate intelligence reports from a decade ago that claimed that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was actively pursuing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. Secretary of State John F. Kerry, in his remarks on the release of the intelligence assessment, said White House officials were “more than mindful of the Iraq experience.”

“We will not repeat that moment,” Kerry said. “Accordingly, we have taken unprecedented steps to declassify and make facts available to people who can judge for themselves.”

The document proposes a possible motive for the attack — a desperate effort to push back rebels from several areas in the capital’s densely packed eastern suburbs — and also suggests that the high civilian death toll surprised and panicked senior Syrian officials, who called off the attack and then tried to cover it up.

“We intercepted communications involving a senior official intimately familiar with the offensive,” it says, “who confirmed that chemical weapons were used by the regime on Aug. 21 and was concerned with the U.N. inspectors obtaining evidence.”

% rate rises are argued very soon or as late as 2017. gf- ''DC yes they will with this present lot of tories''. They will not with the present leader or Ed balls, they have no trust from the British public.

Yep are u sure though.

Latest and first poll after Thursdays vote........ Labour lead of 8%.


Up frm 5%.

These small %s now are the norm and mean a great deal more through accuracy of the polls of 10 years ago.

Anyway goodnight all.

Sick of mainstream TV these days.

Total crap. I see the shite factor has started again tonight.

Time to get the ale out or go night fishing.

Seee ya,

So you would vote for these two gf if they were still about come the election ? Go on. lol

There are alternatives..

No alternatives that could get elected.

gf
Wrong again

Update: Labour lead at 4
by YouGov in Politics
Fri August 30, 6 a.m. BST

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 29th August - Con 33%, Lab 37%, LD 10%, UKIP 12%

Leader of the Opposition and Leader of the Labour Party
Ed Miliband MP

Shadow Deputy Prime Minister, Party Chair and Shadow Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport
Harriet Harman MP

Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer
Ed Balls MP


All the top three want clearing out. Harriet Harman will tell you blacks blue and never answers a question put to her. How can the public trust any of these three.

Labour stretch lead in first poll after Syria vote.......

8% lead.

electionista ‏@electionista 6h
UK - Survation poll: CON 29%, LAB 37%, LDEM 11%, UKIP 17%

DC, yes certainly, far better than fat boy Camoron, and georgie pordgie.

The poll of polls are pointing to an overall labour majority of 80 plus with these 2 in charge. Probably a lot more nearer the time.

That will do me.

Cant stand the two Tory liars.

That particular poll - Survation - shows no difference since the last time it was done. So no effect from the Syria vote,

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/8027?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PollingReport+%28UK+Polling+Report%29

Haystack - 31 Aug 2013 23:36 - 28583 of 28588

No alternatives that could get elected.




Them or nothing then ... way to go Haystack :-)

dreamcatcher - 31 Aug 2013 23:43 - 28585 of 28589

Leader of the Opposition and Leader of the Labour Party
Ed Miliband MP

Shadow Deputy Prime Minister, Party Chair and Shadow Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport
Harriet Harman MP

Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer
Ed Balls MP


All the top three want clearing out. Harriet Harman will tell you blacks blue and never answers a question put to her. How can the public trust any of these three.




Agreed but in defence of your reason for wanting rid of Ms Harman ... go ask any Tory MP for a yes or no answer to the question "should we stay in the EU ?" and start with Cameron :-)

David Cameron is a vainglorious fantasist. He should quit

By Peter Hitchens

PUBLISHED: 00:01, 1 September 2013 | UPDATED: 00:01, 1 September 2013



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2408071/PETER-HITCHENS-David-Cameron-vainglorious-fantasist-He-quit.html#ixzz2ddOII6Ou

You should avoid the Daily Mail and particularly Peter Hitchens. They will both destroy your brain cells.

Since when do any members of the the tory party faithful use brains.

Besides what Camoron and Porky have could fit into a 2p whistle and they would still leave space.

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He and his followers (the old boys of the Bullingdon Club High Ball Club) blew the Syrian presentation to Parliament, because they were to conceited to listen to advice and considered the consequences of their actions.

Cameron then blew his position as a Prime minister in another moment of pique and probably makes it impossible to recover his position by responding without thinking the consequence of his response.

His actions and responses are that of a stunted, immature PM with poor judgement.


He wanted to be seen as a world leader, and push the USA into an unplanned war for political benefit.

Similar to Bush.

He will go down in history as a fool.

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Interesting to see a bunch of tory idiots suggesting that they could push another proposal through parliament, much on the lines the Labour, tory dissenters, some Libs, UKIP and seemingly the country would accept.


That would make Cameron's position untenable.

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Nightmare,

When you chuck hypocrisy around, have a look at your own statements.

Absolutely Fred.

Anyone with their head screwed on know this was Camoron at his arogant best, and hes blown it, blow it so much hes thrown away his long term career.

Bill aka Haystack knows this but as usual the total ignoramous.

The other Tory boys here know what a bollox up hes made. (Chris and Doodle Pip).

But at least they have been brave enough to admit the truth and I give them respect for that.

YOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

choke on this BILL aka Haystack..............

electionista‏@electionista
UK - YouGov/Sunday Times poll: CON 31%, LAB 41%, LDEM 9%, UKIP 13%

Labour 10 point lead up from 4 point lead.

Lot of truth in the cartoon,

But the public considers Cameron and his U-Turn government even bigger liars.

If you think Cameron and Porky had a case, why with all their "intellectual" ability, schooling and cramming couldn't they present a plausible case to their own backbenchers, the government as a whole or the public.

He is a public failure.