Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Cynic,


Leaving the argy bargy out, what would you do in the Syrian conflict

1) Nothing other than humanitarian aid ?
2) Humanitarian and arms to said "rebels" ?
3) Above and attempts at "missile" degradation of Assad's weaponry?
4) Above with "advisors" on the ground?
5) Above above and feet on ground?


When, after negative or positive vote by Security Council?

With any of the above, what do you see as the situation in Syria and M.E.

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You have had your holiday.

Let us see if it has improved you!

Sorry to interrupt the serious post Fred, just giving Cynic time to gather his thoughts, but I didn't realise that was Andy Powell and 4 years ago! As a Scot I'm just glad we managed to get some revenge for the defeat, although I very much doubt his drink was "spiked" - Scots can usually drink any team into submission without using dubious tactics.

Your not wrong there db, biggest mistake made on moving to Scotland in 2002 was not trying to drink my new found friends under the table, keeping up with them was the problem :O)

in honesty, i really don't know ......

both sides are full of "nasty banditry" - e.g. al qaeda on one side and hezbollah on the other

i certainly believe the sarin attack was via assad's crew as otherwise they would have welcomed a visit from the un team with open arms - which patently they did not

chemical attack is perceived as singularly heinous, and though i sort-of understand the emotional logic to that, it sure didn't stop the americans using napalm and agent orange in vietnam without any world opprobrium that i recollect

a strictly limited strike, presumably against assad's chemical weapons caches - how do you then avoid the spread of these chemicals? - has strong knee-jerk appeal, but with what genuinely expected positive result and/or what happens when assad (and his cronies) then carry on as before?
nevertheless, with some or even considerable misgivings, i think it is an action that needs to be taken

i certainly don't think we should put troops on the ground, though i have little doubt that there will be or even are already covert groups of sas and similar already operational, just as there were in the oman conflict of the 60/70s

regardless of the political "benefit" of supplying humanitarian aid, i think the world has an obligation so to do, and if that means uk standing up and delivering while others promise much but do nothing (the usual!), then so be it ..... but i confess i am not about to send say £1,000 of my own money to some nebulous charity working in the region

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the above may or may not answer your questions and i care not one iota whether you think my holiday has "improved" me or not - said facetiously or not

contrary to your public offerings of my political views and worse, i have long been able to think for myself

Yes, but do your thoughts extend to others.


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Like you, I know what I like to happen, but dislike the unquantifiable reaction to justifiable "military intervention".

There are times when I am glad I don't have direct responsibility for actions.

"Civil wars are horrendous and the affects and effects go on for generations".

"There are times when I am glad I don't have direct responsibility for actions."

Was that when you thought you were Captain Mainwareing , and the men in white coat's had to take you away ?

Help.

It seems I have a stalker!

Me Cameron conceded, however, that he was not able to stop temporary restrictions imposed on the type of jobs open to Bulgarian and Romanian migrants from expiring in January 2014. mover 1.6 million are coming to the uk they have already got their papers ready . lock your doors do not go out to work your house will be taken over if you are not in .good information they no all the uk laws .it will take months to get your destroyed home back

read more about the migrants coming to the uk most are low life scum ex prisoners

Cameron forget SYRIA man our borders and pull us out of the EU now
people will turn to UKIP in their thousands .

thousands of these migrants coming have bad health and will destroy the local hospitals tb aids and all sorts of mental problems
read about the migrants coming it is their for all to read

fully concur fred - i too am glad i don't have to press the button
much easier being an armchair critic or pundit where all solutions are really rather simple!

Mass immigration is testing our tolerance

Cowardly politicians and bizarre EU rules have allowed too many immigrants to enter Britain


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10286598/Mass-immigration-is-testing-our-tolerance.html

'Being nice to Iran is not a policy': Labour heavyweights slam Ed Miliband over Syria with even Tony Blair saying he got it wrong

Ex-Prime Minister says Labour leader was wrong to oppose military action
Blair declares: I just have to disagree with the leadership of the party
Former Cabinet minister Ben Bradshaw warns Labour MPs are 'uneasy'

By Matt Chorley, Mailonline Political Editor

PUBLISHED: 11:37, 6 September 2013 | UPDATED: 11:42, 6 September 2013


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2413676/Being-nice-Iran-policy-Labour-heavyweights-slam-Ed-Miliband-Syria-Tony-Blair-saying-got-wrong.html

Terrible week for the Torys.

First fat boy Dave, then IDS, now Ozzie.

Roasted, toasted and plucked.

ps, never could spell.

An equally terrible week for the BBC, it's supposed to be an unbiased broadcasting company funded by taxpayers. What do we get for our money - re-hashed programmes that we have seen for the last 20 years, old movies, the occasional good documentary and left-wing propaganda on the news channels. If that wasn't bad enough, the inept executives/numpties who run this organisation are paid vast fortunes for languishing in their offices enjoying champagne lunches. It's about time the plug was pulled on this over-rated, expensive British institution.

A bad week for Miliband. Lost £1m in union donations and has been seen to be an idiot over Syria. Even his brother is against him.

Hays,

Miliband and the labour party appears to be to be doing the correct thing by removing himself from the control of his puppeteers, unlike Cameron and his corruptible cohorts.

Perhaps, I would be more convinced about the morality of the present tory party, if the Cayman Isle were no longer a tax haven for semi-retired tory grandees.

Seems more are making the same considerations as Ed Miliband has over Syria, rather than the Gun Ho Chimp Wavey Davey who would be hiding in the background and urging his troops on.

Get real. Cameron says "he is getting it", swallow your pride and admit.

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Blair for many was a non paid up member of the tory party.

His grasping hands would seem as large.

GF.

Couldn't quite read what you wrote.

Was it roasted, toasted and something or other.

8-)

Actually, if he is continued to be mocked and ridiculed by the public and international political commentators, the tories won't be able to dump him, due to the old "school tie" effect, and his commercial backers wanting their money back

It would be a shame if he doesn't lead them in the next election.

Up and at em!

When I think of Hays and crew, Black Adder and Dad's army come to mind.

I am just pleased that Labour has Ed Miliband as leader. His brother would be a much bigger problem. Ed is going to be another Kinnock.