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Million Dollar Traders-A series on BBC2,Monday at 21:00     

banjomick - 12 Jan 2009 22:53

Eight ordinary people are given a million dollars, a fortnight of intensive training and two months to run their own hedge fund. Can they make a killing?

The experiment reveals the inner workings of a City trading floor. The money is supplied by hedge fund manager Lex van Dam: he wants to see if ordinary people can beat the professionals, and he expects a return on his investment too. Yet no-one foresees the financial crisis that lies ahead.

The traders were selected in spring 2008, before the US credit crisis gathered pace. The successful candidates were chosen, trained and dispatched to their specially created trading room in the heart of the Square Mile. Among them are an environmentalist, a soldier, a boxing promoter, an entrepreneur, a retired IT consultant, a vet, a student and a shopkeeper.

As the novices learn the dark art of trading stocks and shares, the financial markets start to buckle. Making money takes second place to basic survival as the brutal realities of global economics take their toll on the traders. How do they cope? Will they secure themselves a bonus, or walk away with nothing?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00gthhq

Now see the unseen City-4 January 2009

Lex Van Dam and his million dollar TV gamble-07 Jan 2009

Ruth - 18 Jan 2009 13:32 - 29 of 114

TheVoid, thanks, looking forward to this weeks show,
They couldnt have picked a more volatile time to film it could they.right in the middle of the banking crisis, poor buggers,its hard enough at the best of times,
never mind 200 point swings in the dow in 5 mins;-)

Falcothou - 18 Jan 2009 17:24 - 30 of 114

Quite a harsh introduction... in at 6am assessing news/ creating strategies and then stuck in front of blinking numbers til the close, no wonder they freeze/ trade like headless chickens. They should work like real hedgies quaffing champers in Curzon street for a liquid lunch, may be that comes later in the series!

MightyMicro - 18 Jan 2009 20:08 - 31 of 114

Ruthie: never mind 200 point swings in the dow in 5 mins

I don't think this lot could get on the phone to trade in less than ten minutes by the look of it.

Kayak - 18 Jan 2009 20:10 - 32 of 114

I wonder if the trades actually go to the market? That would seem to me the other good reason for using the telephone. The broker at the other end just enters a dummy trade.

MightyMicro - 18 Jan 2009 20:14 - 33 of 114

K: I hadn't thought of that -- I bet you're right.

Self19 - 18 Jan 2009 20:29 - 34 of 114

good point kayak...most probably dummy trades...and why is Lex getting so upset over 2k? It's all for dramatic effect 'cos we all know real trading is very boring if your doing it right. Poor sods have a couple weeks to learn what it took me almost 2 years...thought the Major's pair trade was a decent punt for a novice.

banjomick - 18 Jan 2009 21:00 - 35 of 114

Just had a quick Google and not sure if this is correct or not:

Posted by reactor on 01-16-09 05:02 PM:

They are phoning up a real broker "Mint" based in Cannon Street. Similar setup as ICAP but on a smaller scale.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/printthread.php?threadid=150540

They still could be dummy trades of course......................

banjomick - 18 Jan 2009 21:19 - 36 of 114

A little bit more research brought up this about the making of the series:

"Meanwhile, the complex business of setting up a hedge fund and meeting the requirements of the Financial Services Authority got underway."

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/technology/onlocation/2009/01/on_location_how_to_cut_it_on_the_trading_floor.html

PlanB - 18 Jan 2009 22:01 - 37 of 114

"Oh, and the ending came as a total surprise to us all.so watch this space."

.. from banjomick's link above.

I think Kayak's on the money here (no real trades being made). Eventual relief for the "traders" I suspect.

Kayak - 18 Jan 2009 22:17 - 38 of 114

Though it's not obvious why you would need FSA approval if you're just running an investment game... or a lot of legal fees...

MightyMicro - 18 Jan 2009 22:33 - 39 of 114

K: They probably took legal advice ;-)

Scripophilist - 19 Jan 2009 12:24 - 40 of 114

Why don't they do what most traders do and click a mouse to scalp a few ticks here and there. The sort of "trading" they do belongs to the 1980's doesn't it?

Kayak - 19 Jan 2009 12:45 - 41 of 114

That would have been very boring for the cameras. Real stocks gives a lot more scope for interesting stories.

hilary - 19 Jan 2009 12:53 - 42 of 114

I couldn't tell for sure from the edit, but weren't they given a crash course in TA before being let loose with any money? I also couldn't tell for sure when it was actually filmed, but I'm guessing late last summer because they were in shirt sleeves.

Given that the markets had been in general decline for some time, I can't work out why they didn't just short anything that moved because the trend would've been their friend (especially as they weren't scalping). I think you've maybe got to question the teachers and the subject material on their TA course.

Spaceman - 19 Jan 2009 21:11 - 43 of 114

I didnt see the first one but watching episode 2 it seems crap. Saying things like with 10% plus moves each days its difficult to make money and that buying cadburies is sensible because people like chocolate sounds crap.

I agree with scrip above they seem like 80s traders.

Spaceman - 19 Jan 2009 21:12 - 44 of 114

Simon (the older guy) seems to be a bit of a prat.

Does anyone recognise what software they are using?

Spaceman - 19 Jan 2009 21:19 - 45 of 114

They all seem to be just guessing, I havnt seen any tech trading at all, dont think i can watch much more of this.

banjomick - 19 Jan 2009 22:13 - 46 of 114

Evening Spaceman,

It's only a TV program after all and based over a two month trading time frame squashed into three episodes of one hour each! It's meant to be viewed as an insight into the system with a bit of TV drama to keep you watching or not,as the case may be.

Velocity - 19 Jan 2009 22:55 - 47 of 114

Maybe I'm alone in this but I absolutely LOVE this programme! The difference between the punters and the pro's is just ridiculous but what great telly it makes! Like Hilary, I'm astonished that this lot didn't have the nowse to go net short property/financials/construction or pretty much anything that moved given that this is a bear market and the market was/is collapsing all around them. They did get technical training on charts but in fairness it takes more than a couple of weeks to get your head round them - I think you'd need more of boot camp type of operation for chart traders.

MightyMicro - 20 Jan 2009 00:06 - 48 of 114

Boys and girls, let's be fair, these are rookies, this is a staged TV "reality" show, they've been set up to look crap, and we're looking at last year's market with 20/20 hindsight. But it was a bit 1980s. I was just waiting for somebody to pick up a phone and shout "Sell pork bellies". ;-)
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