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FTSE + FTSE 250 - consider trading (FTSE)     

cynic - 20 Oct 2007 12:12

rather than pick out individual stocks to trade, it can often be worthwhile to trade the indices themselves, especially in times of high volatility.

for those so inclined, i attach below charts for FTSE and FTSE 250, though one might equally be tempted to trade Dow or S&P, which is significantly broader in its coverage, or even NASDAQ

for ease of reading, i have attached 1 year and 3 month charts in each instance

dealerdear - 29 Sep 2008 16:28 - 2923 of 21973

thanks doc

have you got a tonic for my shares ..

maddoctor - 29 Sep 2008 16:30 - 2924 of 21973

yes but drunk it all myself today!

cynic - 29 Sep 2008 19:27 - 2925 of 21973

i am totally shell-shocked ..... how could those dumb-arse redneck US reps chuck out this bailout bill, albeit that it was a bitter pill to swallow and may even have had some flaws ...... i cannot even bear to think what this is going to do to world economics

maddoctor - 29 Sep 2008 19:34 - 2926 of 21973

cynic , the fed is flooding the market with cash - its not over yet

dealerdear - 29 Sep 2008 19:50 - 2927 of 21973

believe me the fat lady is singing and when those prats in the Replublican party find their pensions and savings have gone and their house has dropped 50% in value they might think 'Perhaps that wasn't such a good idea'

maddoctor - 29 Sep 2008 20:05 - 2928 of 21973

one of the biggest problems all along was the fact that Paulson was a Wall St man and sticking up 2 fingers was always a possiblity

Strawbs - 29 Sep 2008 20:42 - 2929 of 21973

Like I said, expect the unexpected!

For those interested in some historical perspective I would recommend "The Great Crash 1929 by John Kenneth Galbraith". If history is any guide, today's fall is just the start. Cash is king, and will be for sometime to come. Be careful out there.

In my opinion.....

Strawbs.


cynic - 29 Sep 2008 20:52 - 2930 of 21973

except one of the big failings in 1929 was the failure of central gov't to take decisive action .... thank goodness for Bernanke who at least has been the catalyst to ensure that action will be taken, though it should read was taken .... no doubt something will be hammered out at least within the next few days, but the loss of confidence in USA as a credible super-power is almost immeasurable .... the long term effects will be far-reaching indeed.

in my opinion of course!

dealerdear - 29 Sep 2008 20:57 - 2931 of 21973

As somebody said to me today, is this the start of the decline of the west as a financial powerhouse?

spitfire43 - 29 Sep 2008 21:02 - 2932 of 21973

I have just logged on "unbelievable" I was sure it would be passed, what the hell are they playing at, maybe they like playing Russian Roulette with world economy.

Only one place to be this week sidelines...sidelines...sidelines...sidelines. Keep cash somewhere safe and re-think investments strategies.

spitfire43 - 29 Sep 2008 21:12 - 2933 of 21973

As you say Cynic, Beranke has taken decisive action already, because he had researched the 1930s crash at length and understood the mistakes that were made then. Unlike the ECB who have not learnt any lessons and have been focusing on inflation still. Anyway I'm sure they will have to still have a bail out, there really is no alternative.

I'm a tad p****d off........

Strawbs - 29 Sep 2008 21:14 - 2934 of 21973

Cynic,

Don't think bailout versus no bailout. Think economic cause and effect, and investor sentiment. Any new bailout could be days away, and the US senate have just given the financial system a massive heart attack.

In my opinion.

Strawbs.

cynic - 29 Sep 2008 21:21 - 2935 of 21973

didn't do too much for me either - lol ...and i don't just mean because the markets crashed .... i now hear congress will reconvene on thursday after major jewish holiday (well-named Yom Kippur!) ... expect fed rate cut and just possibly sufficient of the redneck congressmen beaten to a pulp to enable a plausible bailout to be encated

Strawbs - 30 Sep 2008 07:51 - 2936 of 21973

Wall Street Bailout = $700 Billion
Wall Street Crash = $1 Trillion
Politicians with Prinicpals = Priceless

Strawbs.

cynic - 30 Sep 2008 07:57 - 2937 of 21973

in this instance, is blind irresponsibility being mislabelled as principal?

Strawbs - 30 Sep 2008 08:13 - 2938 of 21973

They know they'll be back discussing a new bill if necessary. Markets were going to crash anyway, if not yesterday, at some point. The US and most of the western world owes far more than it can sensibly repay, realism was going to set in eventually. Irresponsible, principaled, it all depends on which side of the fence your sitting, and how history decides to judge. Congress have decided to open the box, and now we'll see what demons lie inside.

In my opinion.

Strawbs.

P.S. My original comment was meant as a joke.....

HARRYCAT - 30 Sep 2008 08:30 - 2939 of 21973

Although the asian market was down, it would seem to be an orderly decline rather than the blood letting expected, so hopefully the FTSE will follow their example.
Randgold about the only stock heavily in the blue, which is to be expected.

cynic - 30 Sep 2008 08:34 - 2940 of 21973

Japan and HK were down barely 3% o rperhaps a bit less, though I can tell you that at 22:00 last night IG were predicting >6% and Dow was down a further 150 points after hours .... terrifying!

Anyway, Dow is now indicating +50 or thereabouts (a turnaround of 200) and FTSE is only down about 70, having indicated >200 at 22:00 last night ...... Obviously all is very fragile, but at least the jugular has not yet been cut

Strawbs - 30 Sep 2008 08:42 - 2941 of 21973

The world hasn't fallen in yet then. I think Japan could actually be a good place to put your money right now. The Japanese banks are ultra conservative (after the 1990's mess), and probably won't suffer in the same way Western banks have. Still, any slowdown in the West will affect Asian economies too.

In my opinion...

Strawbs.

Strawbs - 30 Sep 2008 09:15 - 2942 of 21973

Hmmm. Could be tricky selling the bail out plan now if the markets go back up again. The public will no doubt see it as another Wall Street sham. By the time the cracks start to appear though, the bailout plan will probably be too late.....

In my opinion.

Strawbs.
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