Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

How much would one of those cost , any photos of Fred's tank

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/15/islamic-veil-ban_n_3931679.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cukt4%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D208685

Aldgit regarding Fred's tank, let me explain... Oh it doesn't matter.

I see Tanker is spreading the love over the road.

Oh he's back is he, what's his latest hobby horse?

One of his favourite subjects!



portside1 16 Sep'13 - 14:13 - 1494 of 1495 0 0

never eat at a Asian takeaway you do not know what your eating fact not fiction . then these people get cancer I can understand why when they do NOT no what is in their food I LOVE MY BODY AND DO NOT PUT CRAP INTO IT
I go to a supermarket morrisons for my food not a dirty high street shop

portside1 16 Sep'13 - 14:15 - 1495 of 1495 0 0

MUSLIMS . their religion says they should not drink beer the pubs I go in are full of them they should not gamble the bookies are full of them
they only use religion as a weapon FACT NOT FICTION

Same old subjects eh? Nothing changes then.

Just like you Fred

Hays,

Safe in OUR HANDS

The things which may effect the outcome the next election,

Note this is not 2010 but now.

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Hospital shuts doors after overload 11 16/09/2013

A London hospital had to cease admitting emergency patients for two days last week because of high numbers of seriously ill patients, it has been reported.

The Royal London Hospital was unable to discharge patients fast enough to free beds for emergencies, internal memos have revealed.

The situation raises disturbing memories of the 1980s when NHS hospitals routinely closed to admissions because of bed shortages.

It came after health secretary Jeremy Hunt claimed every effort was being made to prevent emergency admission crises over the winter.

Barts Health, which runs the hospital, has listed the situation as a "significant internal event."

In an internal email, chief operating officer Len Richards stated: "No beds available for emergency patients. No beds available for elective patients. An extremely poor discharge picture," the Guardian reported.

The paper says NHS hospitals had fewer than 140,000 beds by April - compared with more than 280,000 in 1988.

BMA consultants committee chair Dr Paul Flynn said: "This is a familiar scenario in trusts all over the country. The pressures on emergency admissions can no longer be described as 'winter pressures' and have knock-on effects on nearly all aspects of hospital care.

"This constant strain cannot be good for staff, and, crucially, it threatens high quality care for patients."

Labour shadow health secretary Andy Burnham said: "The NHS has just come through the first summer A&E crisis in living memory and it would seem from this memo that the winter crisis has already started. Loud alarms bells should be now ringing in the Department of Health.

"Hospitals across England are operating way beyond safe occupancy levels and sailing dangerously close to the wind."

Do you have a link for that story Fred?

but fred, and in the nicest possible way, though you and your buddies complain and complain and complain, not one of you seems to have the slightest idea what you would do were you in a position to do so

of course, were it all that simple and sensible, then both the previous and the current incumbents would no doubt have followed your "suggestion"

by the way, just to revert a couple of days ...... though there may be very few consultants actually on duty at the w/e, there is always a full quota on call, which is the next best thing

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/13/hospital-unable-admit-patients-casualty

Many thanks.

Cynic,

But if you haven't recognised your "pals" Dave and crew have been in charge for 3 years while the patient is dying.

We were over half way through the WW2 in that period.

Cameron and HUNT are in charge after the waste of money and chaos caused by Andrew Lansley's brilliant period of "reforms".

The reason for palm off responsibility from Central government is because they are too incompetent to manage anything other than their own purses.

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What I do find typical of the "nasty party's" regime, is their preparedness to increase the penalties of "scroungers", or "defrauders" of "Wealth Care" system to up to 20 years, when Lansley has wasted millions and ADS has wasted another £40 millions on his reorganisation without losing his job. At the same time some of his fellow MPs have attempted to defraud the tax payers with "personal expenses" and just had their fingers gently "tapped" and told to be smarter next time.

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fred - NHS has been a financial mess for an awful lot longer than just 3 years, which is why i posed my question - and which of course you (and everyone else) cannot answer

the real facts to be faced are that, unless we want to accept huge hikes in tax (patently we do not), then the present set-up just cannot be afforded ......

then, whether or not any government has any clue how to run a proper business that is not just swamped with unproductive management and red tape that gorge on money, is another matter entirely

Cynic,

Which groups or parts of the NHS do you think can't be afforded?

If we indentify them, then we would be able increase their efficieincy, or expedite their departure.


"then, whether or not any government has any clue how to run a proper business that is not just swamped with unproductive management and red tape that gorge on money "


The present government obviously doesn't have a clue how to manage its own affaires, leave alone the countries, they are a blustering PR job lot and not fit for purpose. (Other than their own.)

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I wish this market would settle down.

fred - the markets are like you - full of bluster :-)

while i don't think this lot has done anything "useful" with NHS (or education), nor most assuredly did their predecessors, so that's something of a stupid comment of yours - sort of thing i'ld fully expect from findus+chips

in my opinion, and as already outlined, i think that NHS is ludicrously top-heavy with management and its clip-boards and general red tape ...... however, removing a meaningful amount of that dross - and of course trying to replace it with something that is both work and cost efficient and effective is, i fear, way beyond the abilities of ANY government, not least because of the barrage of abuse that would be encountered from all sorts of interested parties.

in conclusion, i'm afraid this country has a veritable medusa of an unaffordable system - or any other of the herculean metaphors you would like to apply

so for me, i'll just throw my hands up in the air and wait to die!

Cynic
It is not worth debating the NHS with Fred. The conservatives are just as keen on the NHS as any other party. I have never heard Conservatives wanting to scrap it. Their intention is to make it more efficient and being such a money soak.

Update: Labour lead at 3
by YouGov in Politics
Tue September 17, 6 a.m. BST

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 16th September - Con 34%, Lab 37%, LD 10%, UKIP 12%;

hays - i'm afraid you're as meaninglessly partisan as findus+chips ...... as for fred, he is certainly left-tilted (even if he won't put action with words - i.e. vote) and intentionally contentious, but once he's taken his medication, he can actually be quite sensible on occasion

by the way, you don't begin to answer the question either!