Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Update: Labour lead at 3
by YouGov in Politics
Tue September 17, 6 a.m. BST

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 16th September - Con 34%, Lab 37%, LD 10%, UKIP 12%;

hays - i'm afraid you're as meaninglessly partisan as findus+chips ...... as for fred, he is certainly left-tilted (even if he won't put action with words - i.e. vote) and intentionally contentious, but once he's taken his medication, he can actually be quite sensible on occasion

by the way, you don't begin to answer the question either!

A report highlighting deteriorating consumer saving power claims £10,000 invested five years ago in the average savings account would only be worth £8,844 today.


well what a surprise!
was this a free bit of research or did some moron pay for something that was blindingly obvious to all except, seemingly, the moron who commissioned it

Cynic,


"while i don't think this lot has done anything "useful" with NHS (or education), nor most assuredly did their predecessors,"


All governments make "mistakes", some deliberate and some not so.

As far as the NHS and Education is concerned the things that I think the country can thank the Labour government for, was the building of some decent new hospitals and school buildings and the refurbishment of many. They were in appalling states during and after the "Thatcher years". The PFI system introduced by "maggie" and was used which I think a stupid form of financing, but there was short term "spivs" in that period of government, similar to the present lot .

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If you reflect on infrastructure "development" or "repair" , a large amount of it built in the "Victorian" period and "neglected" sold off by the tory period to the "private sector" one can understand some of our problems now.

Perhaps, it is due to your form of "democracy" and having to face before or, at 5 year elections intervals and not prepared to "plan for the long term problems, or development".

Would a partial change of political "management" by MPs be better.

Successful management of large companies tend to evolve over a time periods rather than by revolution. (Members come and go with occasional departure of CEOs etc.)

ah well fred, i suppose i shouldn't have expected other than "abuse" from you ...... still no suggestion as to what you would now enact as a matter of urgency, but like i said in various formats above .....


mind you, if you weren't so tight-fisted (your own admission), perhaps there would be some more money to go round the economy :-)

Abuse??????

I was smiling when I wrote the above!

electionista‏@electionista7h
UK - YouGov poll on #EU referendum: 39% would vote to remain in the EU, 42% to leave. If terms renegotiated: 50% to stay, 29% to leave............ends

In code this means,..... Tories will become puppets of UKIP before the Europeans and if not massive defections.

As VINCE says coalition will soon be a goner.

Concluding Labour lead will move to double digit figures.

that's cos abusing me gives you so much pleasure, especially as a change from abusing yourself :-)

No Vince Cable didn't say that. He replied to a journalist who asked if the coalition might split His just replied that it was possible. Of course, it has been possible all along, but not likely. The coalition will survive until the election.

I hope you noticed the YouGov poll showing the Labour closing to 3. It will soon be level as the economy improves. Inflation was also down today.

The problem with UKIP is that they can offer nothing. It is extremely unlikely that UKIP will get a single MP. The Conservatives are the only party that can offer a referendum on EU membership.

Some tories missed this yesterday...........

electionista‏@electionista16 Sep
UK - Populus poll: CON 33%, LAB 40%, LDEM 11%, UKIP 9% https://twitter.com/PopulusPolls/status/379552449889312768 …ends

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY as Lynton Crosby as acknowledged..........

electionista‏@electionista
UK: @lordashcroft poll in 40 CON seats w/ smallest maj: CON 29%(30% national) LAB 43%(35%) LDEM 8%(12%) UKIP 11%(13%) ....ends Lib Dems and UKIP migrating to labour. Only just begun aswel.

Im smiling, Im grinning like a Cheshire Cat.

UKIP's support is spread evenly across the UK. The Libs support has always been concentrated in a small number of constituencies. The result will be UKIP gaining no MPs and the Libs retaining most of their seats with a few marginal losses. I have seen the same situation in many UK elections. The Libs do well with a low percentage, but do little better when their percentage increases. UKIP is well below a breakthrough percentage because they have no grassroots heartland as do the other three parties.

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The fun would start when/if the tories ditch Cameroon and embrace ukip, or ukip policies.

Nu lab/dims is a vote for more of the same.

Ditch Camoron and Osbourne and they wouldnt need UKIP imo Max.

Think Cable has got it right with his proposal to shift tax from income to assets.

so is the proposal to hammer shares over and above CGT and perhaps while you still own them?
where would pension funds then be expected to invest?
what about buy-to-let property, which fulfils a social need and on which CGT would in any case also be applicable once sold?

sounds to me like a recipe for taxing the prudent

Will any tax on assets include trust funds?


lol

Max Leaked Memo went out last night from the Lib/Dems saying that anyone with over £50 grand income annualy was rich and was a tax target.

Cant remember if it was Newsnight or Sky News 'what the papers say'.

GF - you only have to google it - its every where - so it must be true! :-)

Revealed: Secret Lib Dem plan to increase tax for millions on over £50,000 hidden in email to ministers (which also reminds them they are supposed to be cheerful)