Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

These private recovery units are a stupid idea. Just like the bedroom tax those that cant pay and have nothing to lose wont pay.

All that will happen is arrears will build up just like the BTax and in the end the tax payer will end up bailing the offenders out.

Check with your local council and be suprised to be shocked just how much housing/C/tax arrears are building up at present.

Whats needed is fines on pub landlords (and I believe its against the law to sell ale to a drunk or let them get that way) and more coppers on the beat.

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For once I agree. There are adequate laws to stop landlords selling drinks to drunk people. A couple of landlords losing their licences would send a shockwave through the licenced trade. I know an editor of a national daily and put this to him as far back as 10 years ago. He wanted to run a story based on it, but was stopped by the proprietors of the paper.

hmmmm glad I took you off filter Hays, your not such a bad stick after all. (cynic and hillary remain ON) , It just wouldnt be practical for these private companys.

Cant think the police chiefs have thought this through correctly mind its obviously CUTS that have led to a whole raft of hair brained ideas being touted by public organisations.

I suppose their are those at home who have overdone it home and need A@E treatment, but then again are they in most cases likely to be in a position where they can in essence pay a fine........ in a lot of cases I doubt it.

I agree with Hays clampdown hard on pub landlords and target off licences who sell ale to repeat binge drinkers.

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Someone drunk would not be served or allowed to stay in a bar in most EU countries. Drunken behaviour is not a major problem in most other countries. The price of alcohol is not the problem as there are countries where alcohol is cheaper than here without the problems.

Yep and countries where its more expensive eg, Sweden and other nordic countries and not the problems we have.

I suppose we have to educate kids at school about the evils and social responsibilities expected in society.

Id also have 1 hour per week for older school kids where its integrated with say financial studies where children are taught about banking investing and the stock market.

I was lucky in that I did economics from O level and so learnt a lot their but the number of kids taking economics was very small indeed, I think we had 10 in the class and about 300 plus in my age group.

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Unfortunately negative aspects rarely influence behaviour. Close down a few pubs serving drunks and the trade would have to clean up its act. At the moment these pubs and clubs are getting away with anything they want.

I think one of the main changes in our society is that there are so many teenage girls and women regularly getting drunk now, whereas it used to be mainly just blokes.

Thats why Europeans think out birds are the ugliest in europe.

David Genola ex spurs player once said very much the same, and pointed out they were getting fatter and fatter.

My local asian shop(not a racist point here) were I lived 2 years ago was taken to court and its license revoked. They were selling alchol to under age kids.

Now all the shops in that area have stopped sellling alchol altogether for fear of being fined and maybe closed down, so it jeapordises innocents aswel.

Pub booze is too expensive, a lot of the young-uns are pissed from supermarket vodka before they ever get to the pub.

Just watching Nick Cleg on BBC 2...........what a wet letuce he is. So soft.

Im going to send Rachel Reeves a tweet and ask her to get in touch with Milly and make sure we never ever go into coalition with that cissy boy.

Better to go with the independants and UKIP if we have to.

Even the tories would be an alternative, daft that it sounds. So patheticly soft the lot of them and just like sheep. God get me a sick bucket. puke puke puke.

And theirs Vincy Boy in the audience clapping but ready with his dagger as soon as the speech is over. God help us.

Thats true Max, but you just dont serve them in the pub and stop entry on night club door.

Too many cop progs on TV now showing how coppers nab them on the streets when they are chucked out.

What was the bar staff doing serving them in the first place.

Like Hays says close some of them down make an example for others to be afraid of.

To do that properly, you would have to search them going in...for that small bottle of rocket fuel.

Fraught with problems.

Well most pubs and night clubs have a team of bouncers these days in fact a mate of mine says they have to be lisenced and do a cop course, and most are members of a national association.

Just wondering if its the bosses who are turning a blind eye fearing fall in trade.

am i actually meant to care one iota whether or not i am on findus+chips "naughty step"? ....... please advise

Referring to a comment by the welfare minister and former investment banker Lord Freud last year that “people who are poorer should be prepared to take the biggest risks – they’ve got least to lose”, Rowling wrote that it showed “a profound disconnect with people struggling to keep their heads above water”..........ends

PATHETIC.

http://welfarenewsservice.com/jk-rowling-attacks-government-touch-poor-people/

And to think Cynic and Hillary support people like this idiotic out of touch Lord.

Both men should take a close look at themselves.