Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

That would be unfair to the self employed... who is going to pay for them?

Fred's Labour party hero Gordon Brown as lost his moral compass again if he ever had one to start with . He likes to milk the fact that his father was a Presbyterian minister , that gave him his moral compass. When he is in fact just bully who would stab his own grandmother in the back to get his own way.

You know as I do,the self employed are not in the equation. They are on there own.
:-))

That's why they are called self employed , lol

Indeed, ok, what about zero hour contract workers...are they for the shitheap too?

They are on the top of it now maxK. :-))

lol

So what we have is a promise to civil servants, local gov workers etc, that if they vote for Ed, they'll get even more benefits that no one else can afford.

Sounds like a winner.

Who else can retire at 50 yrs of age. A policeman etc works a maximum of say 32yrs or shorter. Retires on a good pension. Goes out and gets another job for the next 10yrs. Then draws a pension and if he stays in good health possibly longer than he has paid in for. This has got to stop and no doubt will. The national debt is still climbing.

This makes me not sure to cry or laugh. The age limits that have been set for state pension. Cannot see how it will work. Can you see half the self employed still working at 68+ years in say a manual job. 1. Not going to compete with a youngster. 2. ok if they keep healthy and fit. Will an employer take on older people ? Some do I know.

You will eventually work till you drop(DEAD) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





MEN - a rough guide

• Under 32s................................. can get state pension at 68*

• Aged between 32 and 49....................... can get state pension at 67


• Aged between 50 and 51....................... can get state pension at 66+

• Aged between 51 and 56.........................can get state pension at 66

• Aged between 56 and 57.......can get state pension at 65 + (see below)

• Older than 57......................can get state pension at 65

WOMEN - a (very) rough guide

• Under 32s................................. can get state pension at 68*

• Aged between 32 and 49....................... can get state pension at 67


• Aged between 50 and 51....................... can get state pension at 66+

• Aged between 51 and 56.........................can get state pension at 66

• Aged between 56 and 60.......can get state pension at 60-65 (see below)

• Older than 60..............qualify for state pension at 60

*Warning! These changes are under review and will be altered by the coalition Government. Expect further announcements 'in due course'.


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•Salaries vary between forces but the typical starting salary for police constables in England and Wales is £22,680 on commencing service and £25,317 on completion of the initial training period. In Scotland and Northern Ireland, the typical starting salary is £23,259, rising to £25,962 after the intial training period.
•Range of typical salaries after several years' experience: £35,610 - £40,020 (sergeant); £45,624 - £49,488 (inspector); £51,789 - £53,919 (chief inspector).
•London weighting up to £6,501 and additional competency-related threshold payments are available for all ranks.
•Other benefits (dependent on location) can include free London travel, flexible working and key worker living benefits.
•A police pension scheme is automatically provided but individuals may choose to make independent pension provision.
•A working week is 37-40 hours, with an average of two rest days. Police officers provide a 24-hour public service and so unsocial hours, shift work and emergency call-outs are a regular feature of the job. Overtime may be available and is paid at a higher rate.
•The daily working environment is variable. You may be in a patrol car, outside on the beat, at the station or attending court.
•The environment can be physically demanding, potentially dangerous and at times deeply harrowing.
•The work is pressurised, with officers facing continual calls on their time and resources.
•Work conditions may be influenced by regional factors such as local terrain and culture, and the size of the force.
•Part-time working, job-sharing and flexible hours are available. Career breaks are possible after the probationary period.
•The police service is keen to reflect the diversity of the communities it serves and welcomes job applications from women, ethnic minority groups and the LGBT community.
•Job opportunities exist throughout the UK and transfers between forces are possible dependent on position availability and the suitability of the officer concerned.
•A free uniform and equipment are provided. Police officers are expected to adhere to a dress code.
•On appointment, police officers become members of the Police Federation of England & Wales , the Scottish Police Federation (SPF) or the Police Federation for Northern Ireland , which act in matters of police welfare and pay and provide a range of ancillary benefits.
•Police officers are not permitted to join a trade union.
•Police constables and sergeants usually retire after 35 years of service or on reaching the age of 60. Various compulsory retirement ages apply for higher ranks (65 for those above chief inspector).
•Police officers are governed by a code of conduct both on and off duty.
•Travel away from home is rare but absence from home overnight may be common because of shift work.

Salary figures are intended as a guide only.








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January 2012

Chris,

•Police constables and sergeants usually retire after 35 years of service or on reaching the age of 60

Backs what I said - to go on and draw a pension for 35+ years. Wow. They are going to have to join the rest of the country in retirement ages. No more difficult for a police officer/ civil servants/ gov workers then the rest of the country working on.

3.3 million people are poised to hit state pension age in the next five years. We the country are heading for problems .

Will our country ever get its debts re-paid or will we just live with them like the US.
There is not going to be enough people in paid work compared to retired etc .
The US runs out of cash end of this month, with the president going to congress to higher the ceiling limit. Will we be like the US in time ?

Bollocks DC (not to put to fine a point on it), Have you put your application in yet? NO didn't think so! Get real, how can you compare a police officers role to that of a civil servant/gov workers sitting on their arses in an office environment pushing paper clips? working nine to five every weekend off. Career choice I agree! Pay is no great shakes either let's be honest.

I have taken it from what you have put down above , I have not made it up. Chris the end result are all the same, being they retire with a good 15yrs- 20yrs of works years they could still work. Believe me, they will be hit next the other half of the country cannot afford the pensions.

Pay may be no shakes Chris as you say but it does not warrant retiring at the rest of the workers expense. Sorry. I take it you were in the police force.

So are you saying at the end of the day a police officers job is so taxing he she is rewarded with retiring nearly 20yrs before the majority. I have my answer. Yes they do have a tough/difficult job to do but not with these rewards.

I admit I may be a wee bit biast in my opinion DC. I seriously doubt that the main motivation of any applicant to join the Police Service is the benefit of receiving a pension after thirty years service. Just annoys me that armchair critics are quick to jump in and attack. I hope I am not being naïve in thinking that as a career choice in the Police Service it would be in terms of a vocation (aka nurses etc) and not just a job that pays the bills. As it stands now part of the renumeration, pay etc pension benefits are included, however they are not free quite a large percentage is deducted from salary towards that pension after thirty years service. It's not the fault of the police officer that they are forced to retire after thirty years, it is the rules.

It depends on how you value the work of yourself and the work of others.

Many times, many individuals overvalue themselves and their contribution to society.

Many individuals undervalue the contribution to societies that others make.

"Anyone who thinks that they are indispensible should put their finger in a bowl of water and notice the hole they leave when they take it out".


Apply it to oneself.