Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Not in these times Fred. Too many workers are under valued. You are not a worker, so have lost touch with the working environment as like you are not a voter. :-))

Will the ‘career average’ scheme apply to MP's?

DC,

I walk around with my open and I also have children all close to fifty years of age, as well as having other friends of my children’s age.

I have to a reasonable degree and an understanding of their work, responsibilities and the pressures the conditions they work under.

Also, I recognise I have been lucky for the majority of myself and not directly dependant on the state for survival.

However, I have a feeling that you are in touch with yourself, but that you are out of touch with the “needs” of others.

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Also, although "capitalism" and "market driven economic" theories have been useful and still have their uses, there is a limit to how long one can expect to produce a “stable improving” society based on raising true economic growth.

Working hours for the majority of the Western World have been reduced during the last century and that trend will continue to be so.

Castigating a part of a society to come up to outmoded right winged expectations does little to address the “problems” of necessary “employment” or “work”.

It seems to me, that there comes a time when “production” will have to be related to the “needs” of a society and the produce of a society has to be distributed more equitably.

Look at the junk which surrounds you and which are periodically thrown out. They are the unneeded products and part of a rising economy.

The value of wealth is that it oils a society and its economy.

It would be nice to see a reorganization of political ideology to account for “work” changes in society which are going to occur due to new technologies and computerization.

Perhaps, work expansion work opportunities may occur in “servicing of the wealth fare of society” as whole.

The cost and remuneration for doing that "work" will be borne by society as a whole.

"Will the ‘career average’ scheme apply to MP's?"

No, they will have ro rely on their trust funds.

''However, I have a feeling that you are in touch with yourself, but that you are out of touch with the “needs” of others''.

Fred, if you are talking about the pensions I have been on about the country unable to sustain them. Would you not think I am fully in touch with the ''needs of others''.
Along with Labour running up huge debts/bankers. Its the future generations as said before I care about. Sorry what are you going on about ?

PS your education you keep going on about, has not helped in some of the daft going on stupid comments that you make.

More crap policies from Miliband. He wants the minimum wage raised, but only in certain areas of work. A cleaner working for a bank would get paid more than a cleaner working for a different business. How does he think he will administer that one.

Carry on Ed lets have a few more. lol What a vote winner. The Cons must be worried now. :-))

Labour’s squalid past haunts the Two Eds

Yesterday, the Two Eds remained silent, as they worked on critical speeches to next week's Labour conference.

We trust that in those speeches they will reveal just how closely they were involved in McBride's degrading activities.

If not, can they really expect voters to trust them with this country's future, when so many disturbing questions remain about Labour's – and their own – squalid past


Also

Passport giveaway


Today we reveal how, since 2000, British citizenship has been granted to two million immigrants – giving them full access to benefits, housing and the right to vote in General Elections.


While astonishing, the number of passports given out is the inevitable legacy of Labour's deliberate policy of mass immigration.


Shamefully, they never sought any public mandate for this open door policy, which has changed Britain for ever. Indeed, anyone questioning this strategy was dismissed as a bigot as Labour set out to increase its own voter base and, in the words of one adviser, 'rub the Right's nose in diversity'.


But what is most unforgivable is that at no stage did ministers consider whether British society would be able to absorb so many people, many of whom spoke no English, in such a short period of time.


Nor, unbelievably, did they bother to build the houses, schools, roads or hospitals required to cope.


The result is a small island buckling under the weight of the largest, most cynically-planned wave of immigration in history.





http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/columnists/article-2427657/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-Labours-squalid-past-haunts-Two-Eds.html

If this is true , am begining to agree with what TANKER as been saying

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071221232108AAppsxu

But is it true

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/truth-about-thighing-mufakhathat-canard.html

The BNP are on the march.

I hope you have ordered you brown skirts.

Forget brown shirts, you aint seen nothing yet:

read the link provided here:

http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/

Warning There's 3 hours of scrolling down. lol

http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/

Apologies.

BNP and UKIP are on the march.

I hope you have ordered you brown skirts.

where too? :-))

Cheers dc, forgot to to put the link in the thingy.

btw, the divil is in the detail dc.

I'm still reading it, I will let you know in the morning. lol

Its getting worse, carry on Ed. How an earth are you going to over see all these absurd policies. Ed looking more daft by the hour.

Labour: UK Apprentice For Each Foreign Worker
Sky NewsBy Jon Craig, Chief Political Correspondent | Sky News – 26 minutes ago.

Ed Miliband has launched a Labour fightback after a difficult summer - with policy pledges on the economy and immigration.

The party leader announced plans to increase fines for employers who fail to pay the minimum wage and force bosses to train an apprentice if they hire a foreign worker.

The moves come on the opening day of Labour’s conference in Brighton, at which the party will attempt to spell out a series of policies which appeal to voters.

The conference begins with the party’s high command reeling over the damaging revelations of plots, smears and feuds in the memoirs of Gordon Brown’s spin doctor Damian McBride.

It also follows a summer in which senior party figures were accused of being invisible and a gradual shrinking of Labour’s opinion poll lead over the Conservatives.

Senior Labour figures claim the new policy announcements signal a new approach on the economy and a new approach on immigration.

In an interview with the Sunday Mirror, Mr Miliband said the Labour Party was "changing under my leadership" and had "learned lessons from the past".

He said: "I want a high wage British economy, not a low wage brutish economy. We've got plans to make that happen, to drive up skills.

"So we are going to say to any firm that wants to bring in a foreign worker that they also have to train up someone who is a local worker, training up the next generation.

"We think that can create up to 125,000 new apprenticeships over the course of five years and that is a massive boost for skills for our young people."

Mr Miliband said the tenfold increase in fines for the minimum wage would "stop the exploitation which undercuts workers that are already here".

He said: "At the moment the maximum fine is £5,000. If you do flytipping the maximum fine is £50,000.

"So we are going to say: maximum fine £50,000 for employers who systematically abuse the minimum wage.

"We are going to take action in the care sector where up to 220,0000 are not being paid the minimum wage, that's a third of the workforce."

He added: "We are going to stop that exploitation, we are going to drive up skills and that's the way to make our economy work for working people in Britain."

In an interview with The Observer, Mr Miliband said he complained about Mr McBride's behaviour to Mr Brown.

"I complained to Gordon about what Damian was up to," he said. "I was worried by him and I said to Gordon I was worried by him."

A new opinion poll also makes worrying reading for the Labour leadership.

A year after Mr Miliband launched his “One Nation” slogan, nearly half of voters, 47%, say they don't know what it means, according to a ComRes poll for The Independent on Sunday and the Sunday Mirror.

On voting intentions Labour's lead over the Tories is barely changed, at eight points: Con 28% (0), Lab 36% (-1), UKIP 17% (-2), LD 10% (+2) and Others 9% (+1)

But Mr Miliband's ratings are poor, with 52% saying that he doesn't have the qualities to be an effective prime minister.

However, more people say they and their families would be better off if Labour won the election (30%) than if the Conservatives did (22%).

Labour are desperate as they have no policies. lol

Labour would need a huge bureaucracy to monitor all these stupid policies.