Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

"Men fight for liberty and win it with hard knocks. Their children, brought up easy,
let it slip away again, Poor fools.

And their grandchildren are once more slaves."

- D. H. Lawrence

Liberty to do what exactly?

It seems like football hooligans many are more interested in destroying rather than building!

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Very true Granny. Some people fondly believe that Brussels (they don't even have a name, just an amorphous mob) will change as a result of a narrow stay win. Pure delusion. A 1 vote win is the same as a 10% win in "their" minds. Nothing will change because it is one grand self serving committee with no one in charge. There is the drunk Junk but he has no more power, thank goodness, than the other 4 presidents - small p by choice.
Vote out is the only option we have.

Sarkozy vows to push for Schengen overhaul
Former French president calls for reform of visa-free zone in wake of UK’s referendum

Nicolas Sarkozy, the former French leader who is eyeing another presidential bid next year, has vowed to push for a new EU treaty and prioritise an overhaul of the passport-free Schengen zone in the wake of the UK’s EU referendum next week.
The centre-right chief of the Republican party, who has yet to announce his candidacy for his party’s primaries taking place later this year, said an EU treaty was necessary to take back control of EU immigration policy.

“We’ll have to put [on the table] the idea of a Euro-Schengen, which would be made of interior ministers with a stable president,” Mr Sarkozy told Le Figaro newspaper. “It’s clear that it’s not one of our 28 commissioners who can drive Europe’s immigration policy.”
Mr Sarkozy has ramped up his anti-immigration and anti-Brussels rhetoric in the face of a resurgent far-right National Front party seeking to lure voters from the mainstream right by tapping into increasing anxiety over Islamist terrorism and mounting distrust of EU institutions.



amazing how eu plutocrat mentality is changing with the very real threat of brexit

AT LAST! Osborne achieves consensus as former Tory Chancellors vote him idiot of the century.

By John Ward June 16, 2016





New Ipsos Mori poll sees Leavers open up 6-point lead

In a bid to unite his Party yesterday, Chancer of the ExChequer George Unborn threatened to call an emergency budget after June 23rd if all the Brexiteers on the naughty step refuse to do as they’re told. All Out voters would also be sent to bed without any supper. This brought an immediate unanimity of response from both ex-Chancellors and Party leaders among the Conservative big beasts.

“Yes, it’s more proof that the Government’s long-term strategy of terrifying the bejeesuz out of everyone is working,” said Prime Minister David Scareathon, as the Leave Camp was shown to have doubled its lead since a fortnight ago.



More: https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2016/06/16/at-last-osborne-achieves-consensus-as-former-tory-chancellors-vote-him-idiot-of-the-century/

We've heard it from Labour in the past day or so, saying that the EU
needs to reform on immigration, which will never happen, the same with
the likes of Sarkozy and a number of those in Brussels...

They're now spouting what they think the public wants hear, until after
the referendum of course...

Ho dear its now being reported that the eu are co-operating with
African countries to try and curb migration..

Strange how this is all happening now, just conveniently before the 23rd.

Wonder why they are not putting out all these new regulations and
directives they've been storing up until the 24th?.

And judging by the lack of all these reports about immigrants traveling
from Turkey and the African coast, it must have ALL stopped now then EH!

Wasn't that long ago when the media was falling over themselves to
report from some navy ship(ferry sic!) how many they were picking up
and bringing to europe...

In to the last week now.
I'm sorry to see it but, ft poll of polls now have Brexit 48% and Remain 43%.
Hoping for sanity to arrive next week and we rise into the vote.
In any event, holding short the housebuilding shares for a sharp dip.
Surprised you Breiters are all not much more up beat.
Be careful what you wish for.

We'l make up for it on the 24th if its a vote to LEAVE, which hopefully
it will be, and going by most people(99%) that i speak to are for LEAVE..

"A Leave vote would lead to a particularly polarised response from the UK equity market, with domestic banking and retail falling sharply, while staples (tobacco and beverages) and pharmaceuticals should benefit – at least in relative terms – from weaker sterling as well as their naturally defensive earnings bases.

Smaller companies would be particularly vulnerable to trade uncertainty, while consumers may well lift their precautionary savings, affecting the high street."

More at: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/investing/shares/brexit-four-top-investors-on-how-the-eu-referendum-will-move-sto/

Of course, if we do get a Brexit and the GBP and UK stock market takes a hit, then this would make the UK a brilliant place to invest in.

It would obviously be good 'common sense' to buy GBP and UK stocks during and after any drop. However, any bounceback might well be so quick, that you could easily miss opportunities.

I'm sitting tight and will just prat about a bit with Betfair.

If there is a vote to LEAVE, then article 50 would be invoked, which
means a timetable has started, but trade WILL carry on as normal, it
just won't stop, its only when negotiations have concluded and what
trade deals have been agreed on, all being well within 2 years?..

Well, yes, but with a Brexit, uncertainty is now certain to stay with us for a while.

Markets don't like uncertainty.

Senior political figures might resign if we get a Brexit. It also might be sometime before we are sure about our actual political leadership. It might also take some time for announcements to be made about new trade deal negotiations and what new taxation requirements are going to be needed (if any).

I wonder how many old aged pensioners now living in the EU will return from their villas and flats to the UK.

Should put a strain on the NHS and welfare system.

Four good articles:

http://www.investorschronicle.co.uk: Brexit: cutting through the noise

http://www.investorschronicle.co.uk: Ignore the noise over 'Brexit'

http://www.investorschronicle.co.uk: The political fix

http://www.investorschronicle.co.uk: Investors' rough ride may persist post referendum

Why should any old aged pensioner return to the UK if they're
happy where they're, unless they want to come home on their
own volition?

And if they did come back no one should deny them any treatment
they need, after all they did contribute to the system before retiring
to the sun...Unlike some that arrive in the country and start claiming
everything going without contributing.

Immigration seems at the moment the main talking point and also the reason for most wanted OUT.

Just a couple of points.

The Asians, African and Arab migrants already represent a high % of the population and that number will continue to grow as Cameron last year introduced a fast track migration policy for Indian businesses which included sole traders. So a matchbox seller could be construed as a business and migrate to Britain + all the relatives.

2011 Census (obviously understated on the migration front.....)

White 55,073,552 87.17% Increase 1.81%(from 2001)
Asian/Asian British 4,373,339 6.92% Increase 69.58%(from 2001)
Black/Black British 1,904,684 3.01% Increase 65.80%(from 2001)

hTTps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom#Ethnicity