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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Haystack - 01 Jul 2010 18:09 - 2993 of 6906

Try comparing that to the damage done to Gaza by Israeli planes and large guns and by various incursions into Gaza, plus the damage done by IOF forces in the West Bank. Most of these rocket attacks are not Hamas anyway.

March 18 this year

"Israel has threatened military retaliation after the first fatal rocket attack from the Gaza strip in more than 14 months. "

"Israel warned Hamas would pay the consequence of the rocket strike, even though the group was not thought to be directly responsible for yesterday's launch."

"Regardless of which group claims responsibility for the Qassam fire, Israel holds Hamas accountable for anything that happens on the ground because it rules Gaza," Matan Vilnai, the deputy defence minister said."

Now that is really stupid. A splinter terrorist group attacks and the government is blamed because it is the government.

They are firing rockets into their own land which is being occupied.

Gausie - 01 Jul 2010 18:23 - 2994 of 6906

Haystack:

you claim: Israel may complain that they are being bombarded by rockets. In fact there are hardly any and Hamas has been trying to stop them completely.

Are you retracting this bullshit or standing by it?

I don't see any point in reading any more of your made-up fantasy propaganda til we've wrapped this one up.

Haystack - 01 Jul 2010 18:34 - 2995 of 6906

Compared to the rockets fired in previous times it is a small number. Hamas has been trying to stop the attacks and trying to find those responsible. Complain to the ones who are firing the rockets, not Gaza in general and not Hamas. Israel does far more damage to Gaza than Gaza has ever done to Israel. If the people living in areas of Israel affected don't like it then don't live there. They are occupying someone else's land. Gaza is just fighting back. what do you expect.

Haystack - 01 Jul 2010 18:38 - 2996 of 6906

If you mean, do I mind them firing the rockets. No I don't. Hamas is trying to stop the rockets because it is politically expedient to do so and that seems sensible. The rocket attacks intensified from March because of Israel building illegal settelements. If Israel want any movement on hostilities then stop building settlements illegally. It is not their land.

Gausie - 01 Jul 2010 18:46 - 2997 of 6906

So, in the face of damning evidence to the contrary, Mr Discredited Fantasy stands by his bullshit statement of: Israel may complain that they are being bombarded by rockets. In fact there are hardly any and Hamas has been trying to stop them completely.

Hardly surprising. It's no more nonsensical than any of the other so called 'facts' that you post on this thread. Keep taking the tablets.

Haystack - 01 Jul 2010 18:48 - 2998 of 6906

don't build illegally on palestinian land.

Israel's disproprortinate response.

Israeli occupation forces (IOF) escalated their attacks on the Gaza Strip on Thursday launching three air raids and shelling Rafah from the sea.

Security sources said that the IOF warplanes fired a missile south of Zaitun suburb in Gaza city, which was also repeatedly targeted by the IOF, with no casualties reported.

The IOF warplanes fired a third missile at a deserted area in Khuza'a town east of Khan Youns with minor damages reported in nearby homes.

Meanwhile, IOF gunboats opened heavy machineguns at Palestinian fishing boats off Rafah coast with no casualties reported in lines of fishermen.

The IOF command said that the raids were in response to the firing of a projectile from Gaza that hit the western Negev on Wednesday.

Gausie - 01 Jul 2010 18:49 - 2999 of 6906

Yawn - more bullshit from Mr MakeItAllUpAsYouGoAlong.

Haystack - 01 Jul 2010 18:59 - 3000 of 6906

Here is a link to the story from a source you might believe. The BBC 2 days ago.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/10445898.stm

"The group is said to operate independently of Hamas, the Islamist movement that controls Gaza.

Rocket fire out of Gaza has been greatly reduced over the past year after Hamas reigned in attacks, but there continues to be sporadic fire from other militant groups, says the BBC's Jon Donnison in Gaza.

It is almost always ineffective with rockets mostly landing in open fields, our correspondent says.

One Thai farmer in Israel has been killed in the past year.

Dozens of Palestinian militants have been killed in attacks from Israel over the same period."

Gausie - 01 Jul 2010 19:04 - 3001 of 6906

Yawn - more bullshit from Mr MakeItAllUpAsYouGoAlong.

Haystack - 01 Jul 2010 20:31 - 3002 of 6906

Yes. Of course it's bs. The BBC oftens publishes false reports. That report can be found via a variety of sources. Some of them are from Palestinian sites, some of them are from independent media who have no axe to grind. You seem to have read so much Israeli propangada that you are now believing it.

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Sign of splits in Israel's government.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/10471551.stm

Israeli Trade Minister Benjamin Ben-Eliezer held secret talks with Turkey's Foreign Minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, reportedly in Brussels on Wednesday.

Israel's Foreign Minister, Avigdor Lieberman, was not aware the secret talks had taken place until they were reported by the media and he later accused Mr Netanyahu of undermining his authority.

"The foreign minister takes a very serious view of the fact that this occurred without informing the ministry of foreign affairs," he said in a statement.

"This is an insult to the norms of accepted behaviour and a heavy blow to the confidence between the foreign minister and the prime minister."

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More signs of splits in Israel government

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/10458521.stm

Israel is ready to expand the powers of an investigation panel into its deadly raid on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla, PM Benjamin Netanyahu has said.

His statement followed Israeli reports that the head of the panel, Yaakov Tirkel, had threatened to resign.

Mr Tirkel has demanded that the panel be recognised as a state commission of inquiry with the power to subpoena witnesses and recommend sanctions.

He also wants two more members added to the five-member panel.

Mr Tirkel said on Monday that the commission would summon Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to testify, along with Israel's defence minister and military chief of staff.

He also sought two assistants for the three members and two foreign observers that make up the panel, whose work officially started on Monday.

Israel television and press reports said Mr Tirkel, a retired Supreme Court judge, had told Justice Minister Yaakov Neeman that he would quit the post if his demands were not met.

Gausie - 01 Jul 2010 21:16 - 3003 of 6906

Haystack - More bullshit from that's you probably not worth reading.

I'm wondering whether you're ever going to even attempt to defend your earlier 'fact' where you claimed that hardly any rockets are now being fired from gaza into Israel? Or whether you'll retract that statement as the bullshit that it was?

Until you do one or the other, so far as I'm concerned, your credibility is at zero. And falling. So there's no point reading anything else you post.

Haystack - 02 Jul 2010 11:21 - 3004 of 6906

I do regard the numbers as hardly any. It is also nothing compared to the damage done by Israel, the torture of prisoners, the illegal occupation. the illegal building and the war crimes.

I don't expect you to read my posts. You are too full of the Israeli bs that even Israeli citizens are now complaining about.

Gausie - 02 Jul 2010 11:41 - 3005 of 6906

I do regard the numbers as hardly any.

50 rockets/mortars and more a month? Hardly any? You're a fool Haystack. You have no grasp of reality. Words fail me.

Haystack - 02 Jul 2010 12:14 - 3006 of 6906

Most of them do little or no damage. Even the ones that do are nothing compared to what Israel is doing. Do you expect the Gaza residents to sit by while Israel builds illegally on their land? They are just fighting back. It is the same situation as when the founders if Israel behaved as terrorists, except they did far more harm. Israel's policies are just generating more hate and voilence. Israel is condemned to a permanent state semi-war for generations to come. Groups like Hamass are getting more politically smart and are beginning to isolate Israel. Israel'sonly answer is to pay back ten times what they get. It is a fatally flawed starategy and will end in disaster.

Isaacs - 02 Jul 2010 12:18 - 3007 of 6906

Gausie - perhaps we should fire a few rockets a month into Haystack's garden and maybe some into his front garden as well. Doubt we'll hit anything as he will be too scared to step out very often after the first few. If he complains we can just say it is hardly any and no damage done.

Haystack - 02 Jul 2010 12:21 - 3008 of 6906

That was the sort of illogical response I would expect from a supporter of Israel. Suggest firing rockets at someone because you don't agree with their point of view. There is a considerable difference. Israel has done plenty of things that provoke such a response. There is a strong connection with Israel's policies and the firing of rockets. Israel is going to have to negociate with Hamas at some stage like it or not.

Gausie - 02 Jul 2010 15:03 - 3009 of 6906

Haystack - Isaacs' point illustrates well the fatuousness of your argument.

And for heavens sake, ask your bright adopted son how to spell "negotiate".

Haystack - 02 Jul 2010 15:12 - 3010 of 6906

I think Isaac's point illustrates the illogicality of Israel's argument. It is similar to a murderer, who complains about his penalty. And by the way 'Isaacs' should have had an apostrophe as in Isaac's. You either check your spelling and grammar as poorly as I do or you don't understand punctuation rules.

Gausie - 02 Jul 2010 15:21 - 3011 of 6906

Hays - if you're going to moan about apostrophes, at least put yours in the right place.

Jonathan - 02 Jul 2010 15:33 - 3012 of 6906

Actually, Haystack, if his bb name was 'Isaac', then "Isaac's" would be correct, but as it's "Isaacs", then both Isaacs' and Isaacs's could be deemed correct, depending on style preferences. (reference)
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