Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Listening to Ed on R4 - sounds like he has been to the same/similar speech coach that Maggie used - unfortunately it just emphasises the 'nasal' aspect of his style.

now imagine a piranha being a vegetarian
has human nature intrinsically changed since neanderthal times? ...... i think not

Cynic,

Just a freak change in its DNA.

Just imagine if you had been luckier, you could have been an intelligent human being.

8-)

dreadful thought .... what's your excuse?

Cynic.

Do you know the sad thing is that even if some reached Utopia they would be greedy enough to want more for themselves and think they justified it?

do you realise that that is called human nature?

So was sending 6 years olds under ground to work, when the coal owners said "things" shouldn't change.

If you haven't read it, pinch a copy of A J Cronin's "The Citadel" or even better than that "Adventures in Two Worlds " by the same author.

Read them back in the 50s and they influence me helped me understand why there was resistance to change and necessity for union representation and action, some of the latter was poor, but that was due to "human nature".


Take a risk and read them. Very well written and not as sentimental as the film version.

The words used are a bit too long for DC.

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oy weh!
"lion and lamb" and what you write above effectively have nothing remotely to do with each other, and indeed, you almost admit as much in your previous post

It all depends on whether you believe in man's inherent goodness. I have seen little evidence. It is why we need laws.

I would be very doubtful of the Indonesian population. It sounds like an anthropologist's fantasy.

herman - because as you point out, that was a single tribe in isolation, so basic internal tribal law will prevail and will focus on survival ..... the early israeli kibbutzim also managed to work on pretty altruistic principles for a while

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What happened to the Kibbutz, did inhuman behaviour take over?


Hays,

Laws are useful, but their value is in the change in society which they produce .

Less violence actions and criminality now, compared to 100 years ago.

Abortion law change and acceptance of abortions by the majority.

Homesexuality between consenting adults and "spoken" acceptance by the majority.

Made illegal not to send children to school except in certain circumstances.

These have all influenced "human nature" and made it more temperate.

Greed, can be one of the characteristics of an "individual's" human nature.

Has Fred ever voted for anything , as he ever been a member of a trade union so he could fight for workers right's or done any charity work to help the poor working class or is just a free loader letting others do it.