Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Every day at my local newsagent, but in the way you mean, no absolutely not.
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Let know one be in doubt those that evade tax leads to others having to pay more into the system to cover for them.

Good speech from Osborne. More sensible than Ed Balls.

sticky - after 2 years i think not 3, but no matter ..... with reference to courses and similar, you're on the right track .... for sure, if you take a plumbing course, and i suspect it also applies to sparks and brickies, you then have to get field experience with a company before you are deemed sufficiently efficient and knowledgeable to go out on your own ..... problem is, none of these small trades-companies want or can afford to take on novices to train them up to provide competition.

if you have a decent even if basic education, then the problem is not as great, as there are quite a lot of companies offering apprenticeships, even if not in your preferred field - take a look at wyevale garden centres as an excellent example of a company offering lots of apprenticeships

I have remembered the way to get the unemployable back to work.




1) divide them into two classes


Class 1 will be defined as lower class and despicable

Class 2 will be defined as lower lower class and even more despicable.


They will be employed in road maintenance schemes.

Class 1 will have picks, shovels and wheel barrows and dig holes in the roads and take the rubbish to the rubbish heaps for storage.


Class 2 will have picks, shovels and wheel barrows and take their barrows to the storage heaps, fill their barrows and take their load to the roads and fill in the holes.


There is a 3rd class who will supervise the unemployable and well as a more despicable group of subcontractors who will falsify and guarantee the work at an extra fee for 4 weeks.

But this private work will have to be recompensed with payments back and fore under the table from tax payers' money, to council authorities to party funds.
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The con party has finally done it, we have now achieved the morality of a communist totalitarian state.

Osborne's speech was dismal, only pity his haircut wasn't about 9 inches lower.

Osbornes speech was dull and dreary what a boring little cretin he is.

I do admit Balls isnt the greatest of speakers though but its the content that counts from him. Hes a very brainy bloke and he also has Rachel Reeves to support him who is only second best behind Harold Wilson with Exam results at the LSE.

it really is stunning to amusing how some of you guys are incapable of writing sensibly and dispassionately ..... by getting very silly, you blunt or even destroy the point you may be trying to make .... clearly no one ever taught you that

Balls's speech had no content. Osborne has the advantage that he is actually the Chancellor and is doing an excellent job.

"For the first time, all long-term unemployed people who are capable of work will be required to do something in return for their benefits to help them find work," Osborne will say, adding: "But no one will get something for nothing. Help to work – and in return work for the dole."



If they are doing a job of "work", pay them the appropriate wages. Don't use their "labour" to subsidise small and large companies or society in general.

Not against, physically and mentally fit individuals doing work of someIn "sort" for the benefit of themselves and society.

There should be an expansion of the social "servicing" of society.

Before some of the lowest paid workers in the "social services" were employed doing those jobs.

Due to sometimes senseless austerity cuts those employed as above are now queuing at the "dole" counters and drawing similar money from the "state", and finding it more and more difficult to find FULL EMPLOYMENT.

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Manuel,

I was not muddling but correlating possible effects of disjointed unthought out tory ideological policies which are appealing to zealots of the tory party.

The policies are hoping to have the party cling on to power at the expense of the country as a whole.

The intention of Cameron at the time of the coalition was to achieve a victory for his party in the 2015.

However, Osborne has mistimed his economic "boost" and many of his "austerity" cuts have yet to kick in.

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Another point, is what one party values and thinks are valid courses and university degrees varies tremendously.

I had little time for the arts when in school, as my reports clearly stated and pursued sciences with a slight disdain of those choosing the "Arts" and their courses, which I suggested could be termed as courses "for part time" hobbyists and left until later.

My wife has a science hons degree and after we got married achieved a hons degree and MA in Fine Arts.

She informed me that the work she put in for the latter was far harder than the former.

But I would not dream of telling her that I think she was wrong.

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I use to put music on when I was working, in order to stop people interrupting me, as they thought I was listening to it.

Osborne bashes jobless because he can't defend detailed scrutiny of his low wage-falling living standards-low growth-rising debt record.

Hays,

True, Osborne being the Chancellor, does have the advantage at the moment.

The department probably wrote his speech, and he tried to delivered it.

Sad.

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SHSSSHSHSHS.,

Cruella is on the stand.

Wish somebody would give her a Burka.

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Just looked at the party faithful and followers.

Don't they look like a bunch of throwbacks.

Never seen such a small quiet Tory party conference.

Its deathly.

Is it catching?

Hear many of the donors are leaving.

Is Ashcroft going to back Boris or Nigel?

Probably prefer Nigella.

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fred - i KNOW you aren't so naive as to think that labour (or any other political party) has altruistic motives when it comes to power ...... it is unavoidable, but not reprehensible, that those in power wish to stay that way, and those that influence them, will do their darnedest to ensure that their own agenda is catered for

PO Face, what on earth are you talking about.

This spells DANGER..........

UK house prices to rise by a quarter with London average to hit £500,000 by 2018 - CEBR

House prices across Britain will soar by nearly a quarter to record levels over the coming five years with homes in London averaging more than half a million pounds in 2018.

The Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR) said prices across the country to rise 23.7pc to a record of £278,000 in five years. Photo: PA
By Steve Hawkes, Consumer Affairs Editor
2:26PM BST 30 Sep 2013

A think tank has upgraded its forecasts in figures that will trigger yet more concern about the long-term effects of the Government's Help to Buy cheap credit scheme to kick-start the property market.

The Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR) said prices across the country will rise 2.9 per cent to an average of £225,000 this year, followed by a 3.9 per cent jump in 2014. Between now and 2018, the average UK price will jump 23.7 per cent to a record of £278,000.

In London house prices will leap 43.5 per cent by 2018, pushing average values in the capital up to a staggering £566,000.

The figures came as the Bank of England revealed the number of mortgage approvals hit their highest level for five-and-a-half years in August and estate agent Haart predicted housing transactions will rise by up to 15 per cent over the next 12 months.

CEBR economist Daniel Solomon said the Government's Help to Buy scheme had provided a "shot in the arm" to the market. But he insisted that talk of a house price bubble was "premature" and that a housing shortage was a bigger factor.

He said: "This is not a case of houses being built on sand. The housing market recovery we are seeing rests on firm economic and demographic foundations. At least for now."

He added: "Even London's prodigious house price growth, expected to be 6.9 per cent this year, is being driven by the fundamental fact that people want to live in the capital with its employment and cultural opportunities."

The CEBR bases its average prices on official figures from the Office for National Statistics. Last week the Nationwide said average prices were £172,000, but its figures are based on the building society's own completions.

The CEBR's study showed that over the coming five years, house prices should rise by 27 per cent in the East of England and Scotland. In the South-East home owners will enjoy a near 28 per cent rise.

Critics of the Government's Help to Buy scheme are almost certain to use the CEBR findings as proof another damaging property bubble is on the cards. Prime Minster David Cameron this weekend brought forward the second phase of Help to Buy - offering taxpayer-subsidised mortgages - by three months. Business secretary Vince Cable had questioned whether the second phase should ever be introduced.

Matt Pointon of Capital Economics said: "If the second part of Help to Buy really does take off there is a risk we will see a new bubble, but we doubt many lenders will want to take part." He added: "In our view there is still a risk of a correction in house prices, earnings are still falling and house prices are quite pricey as it is."

Last week Nationwide said annual house price inflation was running at 5 per cent, with London prices rising by 10 per cent, an increase of more than £30,000. Nationwide said that in three London boroughs, Westminster, Islington and Hackney, house prices had more than doubled since 2003.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/houseprices/10344481/UK-house-prices-to-rise-by-a-quarter-with-London-average-to-hit-500000-by-2018-CEBR.html

relates to part of 30207

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btw fred, i have no prob at all with "proper" arts courses at proper universities .... the problem lies with children (and their parents) having been conned by successive gov'ts that there is some value and path to eldorado in taking some rubbish degree in say media studies at little piddleton university ..... the truth of the matter is that many of these children would have been far better served by being offered what i think are called vocational courses at school, ideally with links to local companies where field experience in the real world can be gained

Cynic, so its ok for posh kids to take a rubbish degree in say media studies at some larger funded Uni but not kids from poorer backgrounds, Ohhh no they have to follow the vocational route.

Just about sums up what the Tories stands for that and why they are way out of touch and will never govern again.

'Its good enough for my kids but not yours attitude'.