Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Actuaries can predict the number of people who will die in a given country, town or village over a year based on actuarial lifespan tables. In Sicily they can predict their names and addresses as well.

The Mafia can probably give the exact second they die .

Something wrong, the graun is actually talking about real people (outside the luvvy circle)


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/17/britain-working-class-revolt-eu-referendum

Head of the IMF has done some 'research' ... that'll be a first then because they haven't got a very good track record on predicting things correctly.

Maybe they just flipped a coin in the past.

Doubt if most ordinary people take too much notice of these people myself , I,m trying to imagine what they have lined up by Thursday . I see NATO is doing war games in Poland , can see someone warning us Russia is threatening and we must stay together .

Sums it up!

I see Lord Guthrie changed to leave , former Army chief .

The MP shooting seems to have created an odd feeling in the referendum campaigns. If it is a close thing, I can imagine calls for a second vote due to the events of recent days affecting the result. There are already various MPs suggesting cancelling the vote next Thursday. It could be put back to September I suppose. Parliament has been recalled for Monday to make speeches about Jo Cox. I wonder if the referendum will come up later. The comments from journos and politicos suggest that the feeling is that the shooing will benefit the Remain camp.

Switzerland has voted to withdraw its application to join the EU.
Politician Thomas Minder told its parliaments upper house only
"a few lunatics still wanted to join."

LOLOLOLOL!!.....Those Swiss are an intelligent race..

Iceland withdrew their application last year.

However Switzerland does accept free movement of people as the price of its current free trade agreement and is part of the Schengen agreement.

'The UK has missed out on trillions of pounds in trade due to EU
membership" says report author Michael Burrage in his "Myth and
Paradox in the single market", for publisher CIVITAS.

One example, Chile had agreements in force that was 58.3 trillion pounds
In the same period the EU had agreements was $6.7 trillion...

Massive anomaly..And of course Chile are able to agree free trade agreements
with whoever they like.

There's many more Singapore, Korea, ETc, ETC..

All with massive trade agreements.

granny

Free trade.... careful what you wish for....you may ignore all experts, but not this bloke.

Prof. Pat Minford, Brexit economist, long time advisor to Maggie T.

Free trade advocate Prof Minford accepts that free trade for the UK will destroy most of the existing manufacturing sector in the UK but with free trade, our services sector will benefit greatly. He also admits that we will end up with wider inequality.

How will that work out???

For decades US companies relocated manufacture to overseas factories they own in low cost countries. Free trade allows import of these products back to the US. Overseas profits are retained outside the US. The US loses much needed tax revenue.

Massive inequality now exists in the US. The American Dream has been lost for many working in manufacturing and Trump is promising to get these jobs back.

Dyson vacumn cleaners are not built in the UK, even with a import tariff it is still profitable to manufacture them in the Far East. Free trade works well for Dyson, not so well for UK manufacturing.
The Dyson design centre in the UK advocates for ease of work permits for overseas engineers. For Dyson it is much better to be out of EU. He manufactures little here.

Free trade will create lossers as well as winners. Even if our economy in the long term can rebalance. There will be increasing inequality.

PS Doubt Brexit leaders want the UK to be another Chile.

Tommorow's Sunday Mirror

Jo Cox's death sparks EU referendum poll surge for Remain as tragedy changes opinion

ComRes analysts were amazed when the results coming in after 2pm began to show a marked change of heart from Brexit to Remain

Voters became more inclined to want to stay in the EU after MP Jo Cox was shot.

The astonishing finding comes in a ComRes poll for the Sunday Mirror.

And it shows the murder of the 41 year old mum of two could have a direct effect on Thursday’s result.

Our pollsters were asking questions on the EU referendum at the exact time news broke of the attack on the Batley and Spen Labour MP at 2pm on Thursday.

ComRes analysts were amazed when the results coming in after 2pm began to show a marked change of heart.

Before Ms Cox was shot 45 per cent of those polled said they would be “delighted” if the UK voted to leave the EU.

That dropped to 38 per cent after it - and the Remain camp got an astonishing nine point boost from those saying they would be delighted if we stayed.

ComRes chairman Andrew Hawkins said this could indicate a major change in campaign fortunes.

He told the Sunday Mirror: “All it requires is for a marginal change to swing the vote from leave to remain.”

The number of people who said they would be “relieved” if Britain stayed in the EU was running at 35 per cent before the incident in Birstall, Leeds and rose to 45 per cent after it.

Those who said they would be “disappointed” if Britain voted to leave rose to 40 per cent from 32 per cent.

Those who said they were “anxious” about leaving went up six points to 47 per cent,.

Those who said they would be “upset” to be out of the EU went up five points. while those who said the same about staying went down six points.

Mr Hawkins added: “What is significant is that it all points in the same direction. That tells me we picked up a change in public mood.”

Don't you find it truely morbid and opportunistic when straight after the
murder of someone, the pollsters find it a wonderful opportunity to gauge
public feeling on a matter of great importance by stooping to the level of
a sneaky snake oil salesman.......Ring any bells!!

To quote Vickie some time back.
can't believe you sometimes Haystack , you put up endless polls showing this, that and the other , then say " I wish the polls actually meant much .

I wouldn't go to the Mirror for impartial comment.

I hear that some Right winged groups are iconising Thomas Mair.

I think you need to see a doctor Fred, you really are a sick man.

Anyway, It makes no odd's;


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-poll-44-would-be-delighted-if-britain-voted-to-leave-only-28-would-feel-the-same-if-we-a7089036.html

Well so far, it's absolutely 'Neck and Neck' in the Polls.....

"All the Polls and with filters too" - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36271589

1. If you value 'Democracy', don't forget to vote LEAVE.

2. If you can't name the five (or is it four? Hmmm?) presidents of the EU, don't forget to vote LEAVE.

3. If you don't mind immigrants and are not colour or racially prejudiced but nevertheless, just want to put a 'Cap on' and 'Have some control over the numbers' of immigrants, don't forget to vote LEAVE. We can't staff the NHS with Northern Europeans from Romania, Albania, etc, who come over to the UK just to work in car wash outlets.