Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

This sort of tough benefits policy works in countries such as the US.

No it doesnt it failed miserably did workfare.

So the job centre is going to be full all of the week 35 hours per week with claimants LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Never heard of anything as daft in my life.

There is no reason to think, however, that the criticisms levelled at workfare won’t also apply to the new scheme. Is, for example, a person spending 30 hours a week picking up litter more or less likely to find a paying job? Research which looked at similar schemes in the US, Canada and Australia found that:

“There is little evidence that workfare increases the likelihood of finding work. It can even reduce employment chances by limiting the time available for job search and by failing to provide the skills and experience valued by employers. Subsidised (‘transitional’) job schemes that pay a wage can be more effective in raising employment levels than ‘work for benefit’ programmes. Workfare is least effective in getting people into jobs in weak labour markets where unemployment is high.”

http://www.jrf.org.uk/blog/2012/02/workfare-how-about-some-evidence

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RUMOURS: US NFP number could be released earlier, possibly today, instead of the typical first Friday of the month

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Estimates say shut down could hit GDP in the US by as much as 0.3% which in a tentative recovery is a lot. S&P, Moody’s are you watching!?!?

KEVIN MAGUIRE COLUMN

Conservative conference verdict: George Osborne is Mr Bumble AND Billy Liar
1 Oct 2013 00:00

Singing the Tory traditional tune of Bash the Jobless to deflect criticism of his own economic failures is scapegoat politics

George Osborne started the day as Mr Bumble and finished as Billy Liar.

In the morning he echoed Oliver Twist’s workhouse beadle, accusing the undeserving of wanting “something for nothing” and demanding they toil for gruel.

Shameless Osborne either lacks self-awareness or this wealthy Conservative, born with an entire silver dinner service in his mouth, has undergone an irony bypass.

Because he’s a posh poster boy for the very “something for nothing” culture he claims to detest, in time a baronetcy will come his undeserving way.

Sensitive soul, Sir George. He likes to dish it out but doesn’t like to take it back.

A Tory spin doctor insisted it was unfair to portray him as calculating and heartless. Double tough.

Singing the Tory traditional tune of Bash the Jobless to deflect criticism of his own economic failures is scapegoat politics.

Just when I thought Osborne couldn’t get any worse, he changed to Billy Liar.

The Treasury fantasist thinks he’s engineered an economic miracle.

I don’t know what they smoke his end of White-hall but it’s left him delusional. History’s slowest recovery a sensational achievement?

Did he forget he was down-graded after running out of credit, stripped of a Triple-A stamp?

If plummeting living standards are success hallmarks, I shudder to wonder what he’d call failure.

Behind the security fences here, champagne corks are popping.

Braying Tories party as if austerity is over for them as Osborne prepares 10 more years of misery for everybody else.

Deceitful Sir George is reviving the Con in Conservative.



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can't be arsed to read the above diatribe, but i certainly do not understand at all how anyone who is unemployed - leave the parameters to one side - is meant to be able let alone afford to report to the dole office on a daily basis

that said, if the alternative is an obligation to carry out (supervised) community work, then i'm all for it .... i'm sure some bodies will claim it's unfair or some such, but i fail to see why

A possible danger could be that some lowly paid full time employees carrying out menial jobs may feel that their jobs are vunerable to the even lower paid benefit claimants doing community work which may encompass their work.
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possibly, but there seems to be an awful lot of "community work" that remains to which long-term unemployed could be directed - e.g. stuff that may perforce be done on a charitable basis

Yes I can agree with that cynic, just thinking unscrupulous employers that's all.
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he majority of the British public support making the long-term unemployed work full-time for jobseekers allowance and a tax-break for married couples – while Help to Buy is supported by half

In the run up to David Cameron’s conference speech tomorrow the Conservatives have revealed at least three flagship policies. A ‘Help to Work’ scheme requiring those unemployed for two or more years to do full-time community service in return for benefits; a three month early rollout of the second-phase of ‘Help to Buy’ (extending the scheme from new builds to all homes worth under £600,000 ); and a £1,000 transferable tax-free allowance for those married or in civil partnerships.

New YouGov research for the Sun finds majority support for two out of the three policies.

68% of British adults support ‘Help to Work’ - making the long-term unemployed undertake 30 hour per week community work or have their jobseekers allowance taken away, making this the most popular of the three policies. Only 21% oppose while 10% are not sure.

With all the policies around the so called "unemployed" is the detail of valuation of what their input into society should be.

But even when employed on rotational bases for the "servicing" of "society" or "society's environment" they should receive payment in excess of what they would draw on the "dole" and revert to the level of the "dole" when or if they return to that position.

Also, I think it is Pie in the Sky with the rate of technological developments that "full employment" will ever occur and there seems to me more of danger from over production than maintenance, or reorganisation of production.

Basing a "society's" future "happiness" on ever growing GDP seems fatuous.

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Cameron's latest U-turn.

He loves Boris and wants him back, but if he comes back Cameron is locking his wife up.


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Forgot, although it has taken 3 years, Cameron and Hunt do another U-turn on NHS.

Paying their mates the doctors another cheque, but trying to remove themselves from their own reorganisation.

Shoot the Hunt and bring back another. Lansley, where are you?

george - if it's (supervised) community work, unscrupulous employers (local gov't excluded!) wouldn't come into the picture

A lot of the current policies are aimed at people getting cash in hand work and also claiming benefits. That is why people suspected of secretly working will be required to report more often to the job centre.

Labour allowing 2 million immigrants in made ''full employment'' a pipedream, although it's fair to say it always was, but Labour made sure.
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Hays,

One of the strengths of capitalism under Wavey Dave is that it can always be bailed out by the state.

If I buy the property of £500000 and fall on hard times, or bugger off to the Cayman Isles the tax payer will bail out the "mortgage".

Win Win Win Win situation all round for my mates.

Pouring money into the hands of "middle" men not into society as a whole.
(A distortion of the market.)

Forgot, we are buying votes again.

Now, all we want is few scapegoats for when it goes wrong.

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I can't understand, if capitalism is so perfect a system that the Tax payers have to raise money for HS2, why can't the private sector do its own financing?


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Mind the inflated Capt Smith is preparing for teaching classes down at the Dole centre.

Surely has a pin to puncture this latest piece of stupidity.


I await the first riot.


Idiotic.

The immigrant crisis is totally contrived. Labour admitted, after emails were found, that they intended immigration to alter the demographics of the UK as immigrants would be more likely to vote Labour. They encouraged immigration and asylum seekers to serve their own agenda.

Found a picture of Hays.