Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

possibly, but there seems to be an awful lot of "community work" that remains to which long-term unemployed could be directed - e.g. stuff that may perforce be done on a charitable basis

Yes I can agree with that cynic, just thinking unscrupulous employers that's all.
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he majority of the British public support making the long-term unemployed work full-time for jobseekers allowance and a tax-break for married couples – while Help to Buy is supported by half

In the run up to David Cameron’s conference speech tomorrow the Conservatives have revealed at least three flagship policies. A ‘Help to Work’ scheme requiring those unemployed for two or more years to do full-time community service in return for benefits; a three month early rollout of the second-phase of ‘Help to Buy’ (extending the scheme from new builds to all homes worth under £600,000 ); and a £1,000 transferable tax-free allowance for those married or in civil partnerships.

New YouGov research for the Sun finds majority support for two out of the three policies.

68% of British adults support ‘Help to Work’ - making the long-term unemployed undertake 30 hour per week community work or have their jobseekers allowance taken away, making this the most popular of the three policies. Only 21% oppose while 10% are not sure.

With all the policies around the so called "unemployed" is the detail of valuation of what their input into society should be.

But even when employed on rotational bases for the "servicing" of "society" or "society's environment" they should receive payment in excess of what they would draw on the "dole" and revert to the level of the "dole" when or if they return to that position.

Also, I think it is Pie in the Sky with the rate of technological developments that "full employment" will ever occur and there seems to me more of danger from over production than maintenance, or reorganisation of production.

Basing a "society's" future "happiness" on ever growing GDP seems fatuous.

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Cameron's latest U-turn.

He loves Boris and wants him back, but if he comes back Cameron is locking his wife up.


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Forgot, although it has taken 3 years, Cameron and Hunt do another U-turn on NHS.

Paying their mates the doctors another cheque, but trying to remove themselves from their own reorganisation.

Shoot the Hunt and bring back another. Lansley, where are you?

george - if it's (supervised) community work, unscrupulous employers (local gov't excluded!) wouldn't come into the picture

A lot of the current policies are aimed at people getting cash in hand work and also claiming benefits. That is why people suspected of secretly working will be required to report more often to the job centre.

Labour allowing 2 million immigrants in made ''full employment'' a pipedream, although it's fair to say it always was, but Labour made sure.
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Hays,

One of the strengths of capitalism under Wavey Dave is that it can always be bailed out by the state.

If I buy the property of £500000 and fall on hard times, or bugger off to the Cayman Isles the tax payer will bail out the "mortgage".

Win Win Win Win situation all round for my mates.

Pouring money into the hands of "middle" men not into society as a whole.
(A distortion of the market.)

Forgot, we are buying votes again.

Now, all we want is few scapegoats for when it goes wrong.

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I can't understand, if capitalism is so perfect a system that the Tax payers have to raise money for HS2, why can't the private sector do its own financing?


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Mind the inflated Capt Smith is preparing for teaching classes down at the Dole centre.

Surely has a pin to puncture this latest piece of stupidity.


I await the first riot.


Idiotic.

The immigrant crisis is totally contrived. Labour admitted, after emails were found, that they intended immigration to alter the demographics of the UK as immigrants would be more likely to vote Labour. They encouraged immigration and asylum seekers to serve their own agenda.

Found a picture of Hays.

Hays and Cynic's society of the future.



Off to fill up the tank's tank with cheap diesel, before the U-turn and next price rise.


8-)

don't be a pillock fred! :-)

immigration
pointing fingers after the event and whatever the perceived justification or even conspiracy, it's a situation that currently is so
it can't be reversed, and as it stands, successive gov'ts have made us obligated to do whatever brussels dictates and in spades
this of course is why ukip currently has appeal, though the conservatives have promised a referendum, while labour just plays at the 3 monkies
the next election may or may not bring a different complexion to matters, but again, we'll all have to live with what is dealt to (thrown at) us


extended surgery hours
obviously the doctors won't like it much, and there is good anecdotal evidence to indicate that they are overloaded with nonsense paperwork to keep the NHS clipboard brigade happy

however, from a consumer point of view, this has to be good news, and of course better still if there is an overall increase in the number of properly qualified doctors

does anyone know if medical schools are (still) over-subscribed as they used to be?
even if they are, it should be borne in mind that to be qualified as a gp takes (i think) a total of 7 years

don't fight the trend.monetize opportunity.

Hays a self confessed TAX EVADER, therefore a criminal....... said this earlier.......

Haystack - 01 Oct 2013 10:21 - 30271 of 30278

A lot of the current policies are aimed at people getting cash in hand work and also claiming benefits. That is why people suspected of secretly working will be required to report more often to the job centre...................ends

So should Hays and his like report daily to the local HMRC 5 days per week 9 am while 5pm??????????????????????????????.

gf
I haven't said that I am a tax evader. I have never had the opportunity to evade tax. I ran a business that only had cheques in and out so our accounting was pretty trivial.

What I said is that paying or not paying tax is not a moral issue. I am not bothered about Amazon, Google, Starbucks etc not paying UK tax as it has been that way for as long as I can remember. They are just doing what all international companies do to minimise their tax liability. Ford, GM, IBM, Sony, Philips, ICI and hundreds of others use local pricing of components to make sure the profits end up in locations with low tax.

If you don't it then change the rules instead of blaming the companies.

HAYS WHAT THIS DEBATE THEN IF YOUR NOT EVADING TAX PAYMENT>>>>>>


2517GEORGE - 30 Sep 2013 12:20 - 30186 of 30280

''I am less bothered about people not paying VAT or income tax. At least they are working and their earning do feed into the economy.'' So it's ok to cheat the law-abiding taxpayer, is that what you're saying H?
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goldfinger - 30 Sep 2013 12:24 - 30187 of 30280

So weve got Hays saying he agrees with Tax Evasion. ohhhhhhhh dear. Speaks volumes.

Crap speech from Osbourne very little content. All bluster.


Haystack - 30 Sep 2013 12:24 - 30188 of 30280

Have you ever paid cash for anything with no bill?


Haystack - 30 Sep 2013 12:25 - 30189 of 30280

Thee is no moral argument for paying tax or against tax evasion.


goldfinger - 30 Sep 2013 12:29 - 30190 of 30280

Youve shown your true colours hays Im afraid.

A tax cheat,is a criminal.


2517GEORGE - 30 Sep 2013 12:31 - 30191 of 30280

Every day at my local newsagent, but in the way you mean, no absolutely not.
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goldfinger - 30 Sep 2013 12:32 - 30192 of 30280

Let know one be in doubt those that evade tax leads to others having to pay more into the system to cover for them

As I said earlier, I am not bothered about it. If you are then try and do something about it instead of complaining about people not agreeing with you.

POST 30188 very relevant as are the others of Hays.

Im not getting into a Cynic denial debate as per yesterday we dont want you running off hiding aswel, but its their for all to see Hays, you quite clearly admit to tax evasion.

As such you are a criminal under present British law. I wont report it but I know their is a form that can be filled in on the HMCR site that refers to exactly this type of crime if you suspect crime has taken place.

Posts crossed......... but i cant be assed to fill in the form cos as usual you are a time waster and a natural bull shiter.