Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

LOL....corker. MAX another one for you.

Dave Camoron‏@EtonOldBoys46m
Are you an arrogant pompous liar, totally out of touch with everyone? Yes? Then why not join the Tory Party, we need more people like you

GF,

I agree with your last post.

Another problem is that the intake at a school varies for a multiple of reasons and from year to year.

Evaluating a teaching skill is open to difficulties and being evaluated by one or two individuals (heads included) is problematic.

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Cynic,

Where have you been collecting or dumping your garbage to-day?

8-)

Or as n would say .

Cheers Fred. I gave up because it was like a fight at a football match unbelievable the way they laid into each other. I can do without that stress.

Watching the present dreary tory mob coming out to defend their policies and the "on the contrarrrrry policies".


They will look back in this political phase and turn red.


We arrre being fairrrrrr.

MAX another one.......

Dave Camoron‏@EtonOldBoys54m
Dear Hard Working People the Job is not done yet, vote us in again and we will finish the job and the country

he he this is a corker please all have a go and see what you score.......

Just for fun: Iain Duncan Smith's 'realistic' unemployment simulator

http://toys.usvsth3m.com/iain-duncan-smiths-realistic-unemployment-simulator/

fred - on the golf course i'm afraid - i was total shit :-)

sticky - i have had vicarious but close experience on "teacher value" as Beloved was on the board of governors of a local school for a good number of years ..... certainly one of the major gripes was the difficulty (almost impossible) of getting rid of bad teachers, and that cannot be right

is running a school really any different from running a business?
no
so if you are found to be no good at your job, within certain rules and parameters, you can be sacked ..... within the first x months, that is easy, but i suspect it does not apply to teachers

as for automatic pay rises, that is certainly a nonsense .... no private company would ever dream of such a thing ..... with regard to teachers, though i accept the difficulty of measurement, exam results per se are not or should not be the sole criteria .... however, in business, you may well give someone a pay rise "because they're worth it" ..... running a bunch of teachers, is surely no different from running a smallish workforce, so internal bitching is just one of the things that happens - and pretty much ignored though i guess that presupposes an intrinsically happy and decently run outfit

on a scarier note, when my daughter was redundant for about 18 months, she contemplated the idea of going into teaching art ..... she went on some course or other where she shadowed an art teacher in some secondary school ..... she was appalled by his lack of enthusiasm and encouragement and expectations of the children .... he was solely interested in the pupils getting adequate - not good - grades .... two of them were clearly keen and at least reasonably talented, but were never going to reach their potential with a teacher of that calibre.
how would you deal with someone like him if you can't sack him and worse, are obligated to give him a pay rise each year?

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not sure that the above is as well thought out as my usual contributions, but i'm a tad weary

The earliest Boris would be an MP is after standing at the general election. That rules him of replacing Cameron before the election.

Paying teachers based on performance/skill is a great idea as is sacking useless teachers. Of course there will be the occasional anomaly due to favouritism as happen within private companies. Welcome to the real world.

Cynic in reply to your post above, their is a massive difference between running a small school and a business.

For a kick off youl find small business do NOT have trade union support and that makes one HELL Of a difference re- negotiating pay and conditions.

WHICH IS what my post was about.

And re private firms automatic pay rises ......loads of them do just to keep up with inflation. Im beginning to think your firm is going back into the dark ages.

. I didnt mention anything about sacking poor teachers.

Thats a different issue.

Hays again making comment on a subject he knows nothing about.

Hays,

"The earliest Boris would be an MP is after standing at the general election. That rules him of replacing Cameron before the election."


I hear there is one MP prepared to stand down for a bye election on condition they give him a knighthood.

He doesn't think he has a cat in hell's chance of getting back in after the next election with Cameron as party leader.

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You still haven't answered the questions.

Bye the way, do you think the Con. Party conference with Cameron and George in control showed it to be:

The party for Victory?

The party of Unity and Strength?

The party of Freedom?

The party of Honour?

The party of Work?

The party of Greater Britain?

The party of Peace?

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I wonder why, because that is what your party leadership is saying it is providing.

Cynic.

There is a difference between flogging an object over a counter and delivering information and skills to a class rooms of delinquents of all shapes and sizes and different backgrounds in a classroom.

Also, there is a value to the "relationship" of the teacher to the pupil, otherwise you could plug all the little orphans who go to Eton into a computer and forget about them.

Just trying to in shorthand to explain a problem.

Of course it is reasonable to weed out "failing or incompetent" teachers, but one would assume that unless they are p off their skill levels goes up with time and ongoing practice and training and therefore incremental pay increase are justifiable.


One would suppose an MP with 10 years in the HP knows his way around the bars and the expenses claims offices in the institution better than one with 2 years experience.

But other many other factors come into play.

When I worked for my Local Council Education department, failing teachers were moved sideways into jobs in the LA offices and their salary at the time of moving was protected(ring fenced) and they recieved inflationary rises after that.

At the time I left 28 were on the books having been moved sideways 27 had requested to move back into teaching.

Speaks volumes about how teachers get used to a 32.5 hour week. 27.5 hours in the classroom and 5 hours non contact time. Plus they wanted back their 6 week summer holidays.

Strange aswel school inspectors who were situated in my LA offices still kept their 6 weeks holiday priveledges. Strange feeling going into their offices seeing them empty during august. Obviously were all ex school teachers.

Running a school is very much like running a small business. The main disadvantage is the presence of the unions who bring people out on strikes over silky things.

Boris isn't looking to the next election, why would he?

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The red flag flyers would appear to be rampant today! Knobheads is a lovely descriptive word don't you think? Shakespear quote "Me thinketh they do protest to much" slight alteration to match the event, but you get the meaning. Fred you pussy challenge me to a game of chess, go on you know you want to. I may even refrain from giving you your usual accolade of Gobshite of the year (recurring) :O)

PS please don't crack on you have me on the naughty step, we both know that isn't true. Your self inflated ego would never allow it!

Everyone should read this especialy those that think sick and disabled people are shirkers.......

Letters: There’s Nothing ‘Fair’ About The Government Treatment Of Sick And Disabled People

Posted by wns_adminOn October 02, 2013


‘It’s about being fair’, said a Tory on Channel 4 news tonight. What does this government know about being fair?!

Is it fair that sick and disabled people are losing their independence and forced into poverty, or even a premature death, after having their benefits removed?

I find it convenient that the Department for Work and Pensions will not reveal the latest death figures for those who have died after being found ‘fit for work’. They no longer keep count apparently. What does that tell you about their approach to transparency?

Is it fair that people, including the sick, disabled and elderly, are being turfed out of their homes due to ‘Bedroom Tax’?! They promise exemptions, but very few have been put in place.

Is it fair to exploit unemployment people by forcing them to work for free on ‘workfare’ with the threat of having the only means to support themselves (their benefits) being taken away from them?!

It’s slave labour if you ask me! Get a person to work for less money than you would pay in wages. And how is that supposed to help the economy? It doesn’t! The only people it helps are employers and big business to get free labour and cut their wage bills, and it takes paid jobs away from those looking for work.

How is taking housing benefit away for people under twenty-five fair?! It will only lead to more homelessness and hardship. A situation which has are already seeing in towns and cities across the country.

Subjecting ill, disabled, and vulnerable people to a Work Compatibility Assessment which has been set up to make us fail, (including those with degenerative conditions and those that won’t improve) – how is that fair!?

Victimising the poorest and most vulnerable people in society by calling them ‘scroungers’, ‘fakers’ and ‘fraudsters’ based on highly questionable figures – is that fair!?

Telling the public that benefit claimant’s get ‘something for nothing’, when in reality every single one of us pays to live in this society through taxes on things we have to buy – is that fair!?

We struggle to live every single day of our lives against pain, exhaustion and illness. None of which I would wish on my worst enemy! We are ‘strivers’ – despite what this government would have the public believe! We have to ‘strive’ for every…little…thing!

Ignoring the truth that the majority of benefit claimants have worked at some point in our lives and contributed to society – is that fair!?

No,.. it isn’t fair! None of it is fair, and it needs to stop, now!

Nobody chooses to have a disability or to be ill, and nobody deserves to be treated like this government are treating us!

We are not second class citizens! We are not scum! We are people! We deserve the same respect, compassion and consideration as anybody else! I for one am sick of being a scapegoat for the mistakes of this government, big business and bankers. Tax them, not those that can least afford it!

It’s about being fair is it?! If this is fair, I would hate to think what unfair is!

We are paying with our lives! I am sick of being judged and being made to feel like I am worthless, just because I have a disability, and on top of that, illnesses which add to what I already go through.

I want this government to show me some respect!. I want to feel like I am valued in society!

One thing is easily forgotten: Illness and disability can happen to anyone,.. at any time. This government would do well to remember that!

Helen Simms

http://welfarenewsservice.com/letters-theres-nothing-fair-government-treatment-sick-disabled-people/#.UkyvAUTTII4.twitter