Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

They have picked up their beds and walked-----it's a miracle.
2517

i would certainly agree that it can be surprisingly or even ridiculously hard for someone to claim disability of similar allowance - i personally know 2 specific cases where it was refused, and where any normal person would have said, "of course you qualify"

HMRC is also more than reluctant to shell out when it should ..... for myself, i had to wait several months before HMRC paid out the amount already agreed, and am still arguing a slightly different issue where the rules say "x" but HMRC refuse to admit it or indeed even respond to my accountant of the issue .... the problem then is that it is risking life and limb to go in hard, as HMRC can then get very spiteful and instigate a full investigation of one's tax affairs ..... this is very time consuming and expensive with no recourse as/when nothing is found remiss

reverting to "benefits" in general, it would certainly seem that there is a core of people who know how to work the system either for themselves or in guiding others .... the perception is that a section of the immigrant population is singularly adept at this .... of course, this is purely anecdotal and one does not know the actuality

Cynic and others.

If you didn't view Newsnight last night, risk a listen view Paxman interview with Maude on the Welfare changes.

It is embarrassing and shows one of the next U-turns for the bucket.

It shows this tory party's incompetence at planning and a leading spark lying between his teeth.

The interview is about 5-10 mins into the programme.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03c4hbt/Newsnight_02_10_2013/



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Has anybody notice the size lie Gove is going to spout is marked by he UmMH and pause, unless it is a pre rehearsed one.

I wonder if he blushes at the same time?

I wish his father had had one on the welfare.

Of course when Cameron is even more demented there will always be the NHS to take care of him.

SAFE IN OUR HANDS DAVE.

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IS Cameron becoming the Berlusconi of British Politics?

Mind he will need Boris to help him out in some areas.

Heading in the right direction

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MaxK - 03 Oct 2013 08:51 - 30431 of 30438

Of the million or so (formally disabled) people who have suddenly been deemed capable of picking up their beds and walking (atos).

Where have they gone?
2517GEORGE Send an email to 2517GEORGE View 2517GEORGE's profile - 03 Oct 2013 09:07 - 30432 of 30438

They have picked up their beds and walked-----it's a miracle.
2517


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I would suggest you take a walk around your local cities or towns in the day time and count the number of people begging and at night and see how many are "dossing" out.
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Not the country scenes I wish to see returning.

But that is the place for the cadgers.

Especially Tax dodgers and those who defrauded the tax payer on expense claims and are still legislating.

Most beggars in the street are spending the money on drink and drugs and should be ignored.

If Mikibland is bothered by the Mail's attacks on his father then he might remember the abuse handed out by the left wing when Thatcher died.

He might further remember this embarrassing photo.

Lefty abuse doesent count.

http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/cartoon/2013/oct/02/david-cameron-conservative-party-conference-speech

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/cartoon/

Hays,

Perhaps, you should spend some time dossing on the streets.

You never know you might feel at home.

However, if you fell down in the street in front of me and broke one of your ancient hips, it would be tempting to walk past you.

However, I suppose you could text for an private ambulance for yourself and wait in Private Casualty Department for treatment.

Would you suggest for economic reasons of course, that any of the "dossers" who die in the night should be pick up in the Garbage Van in disposable reusable black bags.

You know a profit is a profit.

Perhaps you could contract for the work.

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Ps You still haven't answered the questions set previously.

Read a slogan somewhere.

"Cull the tories not the badgers".

There have always been dossers in the street and there always will be. There are centres where they can go at night. The centres only refuse the ones that are the worse for drink and drugs. The same drink and drugs paid for by donations as a result of their begging. There are beggars outside the shops and banks near me. In thevening they are found sitting on the pavement outside the pubs drinking cans of strong lager.

Haystack

Good point about the Thatcher abuse , funny that Edward Heath didn't get much or any abuse when he died , or even Enoch . Just goes to show how nasty and sick people are today.

Hays and Cynic,

I know you don't like socialism, but I have never been sure what is meant by it, where as Conservatism means to me personal "greed".

Was saving the "city" and the hides of the "bankers" and other "wheelers and dealers" out of tax payers' money socialism?

Is subsidising middle income hoped for tory party voters to have mortgages on properties up to £600,000 at the expense of tax payers a form conservatism, state intervention, or socialism?

Especially, while at the same time "government" is denying poorer members in society "decent" housing, or an expectancy of such?

Would that be considered good "conservatism", or poor "socialism"?

Is proposed financing of HS2 out of public funds by the government a socialist intervention rather than leaving it up to the market?

(Sorry the money is being filtered back into private hands.)

Is funding the private contractors in the NHS through public funds socialism?

Is funding R&D in Universities socialism or capitalism?

Is the government tax pot for bailing out the failures of capitalism?

I could add more.

To me, the spouted philosophy of Cameron and his "partners" is fraudulent.

In a modern civilised society it is reasonable to have the intertwining of state and the private concerns. The balance is difficult, but Cameron is dividing the country by lying, for his own and party's personal gains.

It is becoming more and more obvious and I think he will be rejected in 2015.

MAX and George said..............

MaxK - 03 Oct 2013 08:51 - 30431 of 30438

Of the million or so (formally disabled) people who have suddenly been deemed capable of picking up their beds and walking (atos).

Where have they gone?.......................................ends

Max, after the work capability assesment with ATOS they are given a yes or no verdict on wether they are fit to work.

They are then in four streams.

a, unfit to work , placed in support groupget benefit, reviewed usually every year........placed in stats.

b1, fit to work but not ready to go straight into work need up to a year to get ready for work......... WRAG Group. continue getting benefits on income grounds............taken out of stats.

b2,Found fit to work but not ready to go straight into work need up to a year to get ready for work......... WRAG Group dont get benefits have a small company private pension or partner working....................taken out of stats.

c, Found fit to work but have appealed against ATOS decision, dont get benefits but may have them re-instated if decision goes their way. .................taken out of stats.

d, Found fit to work immediatly placed on Jobseekers allowance dont get benefit if they have used up their 6 months benefit entittlement from previous work, recieve NI Contributions only................. taken out of stats.

SO as you can see out of the four streams the 1 million you refer to as having walked away fit with their beds, havent walked away at all, they have just been removed from the unemployment statistics temporarily awaiting a further decision or action.

Some would say that this is the government cooking the books, creative accounting for the benefit of political gain. Tory political gain.

As i said yesterday evening the poster haystack hasnt a clue as to how the system works, best if you just ignore the sad sick man.

No.

Heath and Enoch had and showed a "sense" of common decency which Thatcher didn't and Cameron doesn't have.

Disagreed with many of the former's policies, but has some respect for them.