Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Clegg not only has a good share of the vote, but the Libs have plenty of MPs. Their support is concentrated in such a way that they will win plenty of seats at an election even if their support falls. The current opinion polls show that UKIP will get no seats and the Libs will get plenty even though UKIP may be ahead in the polls.

The reason is that UKIP's support is evenly spread across the country with not enough to win in individual constituencies. If we had AV or full proportional representation then UKIP would win about 11% of the 650 total seats. The Libs would get a similar number. The reality is that with first past the post, UKIP will get no seats and the Libs will get about 56, which is what they have now.

The Libs got 23.5% of the vote last time (almost unchanged from the previous election) and it only got them 8.6% of the seats. Labour only received 6% more votes than the Libs and it got them 257 seats. The figure I have seen is that UKIP need 24% of the vote to get just one MP. If they get much above that figure they will start getting more seats. It is just a fact of life due to a combination of our electoral system and entrenched support for existing parties in the constituencies.

Farage should be allowed to take part in the debate.

Its Camoron running scared who doesnt want him on the stage even more now after todays new actions re- to early vote on ref.

The tory boys are frightened -hitless at UKIP.

I certainly am not in favour of no benefits for under 25s.

I dont think its right young kids at 16 can get a council house nor do I think Milli has got it right kids voting at 16.

BUT if we were at a position of FULL EMPLOYMENT and raging employment chances (not mickey mouse employment)and vacancies a plenty then some benefits should be scrubbed but a country where North Of London their are NO JOBS..........no chance.

Call me Dave doesnt seem to have grasped the fact that you cant fit a square plug in a round hole.

What good is training if their arent jobs to go into after finishing.

What will happen is that kids will do course after course like they are doing now.

Camoron need to bring employment to them and not the other way round which would put ever increasing demand on house prices in the south and increase the number sleeping rough.

Foreign holiday makers dont want to see tramps laid out around the Railway stations in London. It was bad enough 5 years ago, god knows what its like now.

No one be should be worried about UKIP. They will amount to nothing at the election.

I can see Haystack as posted probably waffle about polls or ukip.

Hes scared out of his wits of UKIP.

And Milly.

Take him at a pinch, hes a well known trouble stirrer, was checking on advfn yesterday about this and he has loads of differing handles, so beware.

It is funny how gf pretends that he has filtered me for life. When he gets to boiling point he has to resort to pretending that someone has emailed my post to him.

Speaking of polls, this today,s

Latest YouGov / The Sunday Times results 4th October - Con 33%, Lab 38%, LD 11%, UKIP 13%;

. There is very widespread (70%) support for forcing the long-term unemployed to do community work or risk losing their benefits and a narrow majority (52%) support stopping benefits for under 25s who are not in work or training (39% oppose).

YouGov finds big decline in those thinking that LAB will win a majority

ha ha ha ha, I see haystack is reponding to my taunts.

Just think chaps YOU are paying more in taxes because this sick individual is tax evading and laughing all the way to the bank.

Yes money you could be using on say a foreign holiday or a meal out for you and the wife.

But this sick invidual cheat is cheating you out of those little extras in life because like he says hes a self confesssed tax evader and YOU are picking up his tab.

very funny. gf seems to be suffering from OCD or similar. The medication doesn't appear to be very effective.

Ukip is the only hope for the uk

Then there is no hope as UKIP stand no chance. Only the crazies will vote for them.

Hays,

"There is very widespread (70%) support for forcing the long-term unemployed to do community work or risk losing their benefits"

I hope that applies to your own offspring.

Are you going to be the first commandant of the concentration camp in London?

I have always thought the carrot was more inducive than than the whip.

Or was that carats?

from where did "There is very widespread (70%) support for forcing the long-term unemployed to do community work or risk losing their benefits" emanate?

i'ld be surprised if it was that high, but not at all surprised if there was a a significant majority in favour (i'm one of those) - and yes, i know the same would apply to hanging (no i am not in favour)

so tell me fred (and sticky), where do you stand (or sit) on either of the above two proposals?

The unemployed doing community work is a good idea, except for the problems.


Transport

Training

Health and safety

Supervision

Insurance

Tools and equipment


That's a few, i'm sure there are many others.

there are always 1,000 excuses of why not to do something .... that's why so many say, "I had that idea" or "I nearly did that", whereas the few can say, "I had that idea and did it"

i guess you (MK) fall into the first group

You have no idea what group I would fall into cynic, hence your silly post.

Any practical solutions on offer from you?

cynic
The level of support for the under 25s comes from a poll published today. I am not surprised at the percentage. I didn't say that I agreed with the idea.

MK - my comments still stand ..... your just full of piffle, excuses and hogwash about why things can't be done ..... wrong approach to life entirely, but clearly you haven't learnt that .... it would seem you have never tried starting with the end result wanted and then determining how to get there, and doing it or at least doing something about it

You mean like this U-bend con government does?

All governments change course as events dictate. Some policies have to be scrapped. This is the normal process of government.

The Blair government did few U turns by leaking possible policies. If the public reaction was not good then the policy never made it to the official lists. That is weak government and just courts public approval.