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Bioprogress (BPRG)     

scorpion - 13 Aug 2003 13:54

Bioprogress is a stock I have been in and out of quite a few times since it floated in May but not much mention here on the Investors' Room. Does anyone else follow this stock. I see it is up 1.5p today and a few good buyers seem to have appeared.

The Count - 06 Mar 2004 12:27 - 306 of 2372

THE COUNT--->ALL

I just posted the following on a BB on the 'other side'.....


THE COUNT--->ALL

I have to agree with NICK2412's posting....many of us are hardly posting now because there is nothing much more to say. The feet are up, and we are awaiting the progress report of what we hope will be a long journey to the stars.

I guess I too should comment on what I think will come with the results.

But before I do, I dug deep into my bad memory to pluck out some of the clues that Graham Hind has left behind, either at the EGM or at the Oxford conference.

Three things that really stand out....

1) I asked him if newsflow was about to stop for a long time after the first couple of deals. He said that they were very active, the funds raised in the initial placing had really allowed them to start to activate their potential and all sorts of people were now keen to talk to them. The newsflow would remain strong because a company like theirs, yet to generate revenue, needs strong newsflow.

2) He also noted the vast importance of generating revenues....sooner rather than later, and he did say that if anything arose that would accelerate that, the company were in a position to act if the right deal came along. But that was in December.

3) In his presentation, he spoke of the need to try and 'surprise' with any results announcements.

I have to add that I also heard last week, from my own broker, that an institutional placing had been done and it was comfortably put away. My broker tried to get some stock for clients but, I found out late on Friday, it was to no avail. So, if this is true, then it doesn't exactly indicate that there was much of a struggle in getting the placing away. They spoke of a placing at 100p, but others have spoken of 110p....I obviously would be happier with the latter.

I am more convinced that a placing has indeed been done because of the uncharacteristic actions of the house broker over the last couple of weeks or so. For the 1st time since flotation, CS have NOT led the share price one way or t'other for any notable length of time. I personally believe that they were stung by the fierce criticism of their actions and have opted for a neutral role this time round so that they would emerge whiter than white. I do know that they were aware of much of what was being said on this board.....and their actions indicate that a few cages may indeed have been rattled.

But, as has been said already, this placing, if it is confirmed to be true (and there really is no doubt now), is to be used for something that should 'surprise' us. It is obvious the company have spotted some sort of great opportunity in the markets and opted for a quick placing rather than the slower process of a rights issue.

I eagerly await the news of what this was for. But I believe it will turn out to be extremely value enhancing for shareholders.

I would also stress that if this money was to be used for any kind of working capital rather than an acquisition (I am 99% certain this is NOT the case), it is extremely unlikely that institutions would have parted with cash at such a price so shortly after the last fundraising. The answers really are out there for people who can put 2 and 2 together. In fact, I would say that I would lose faith in this management if that were even remotely the case....but I really doubt it.

Another thing that I would like to add to any doubters of this stock. Forget all the endless crap that is written and look at what is actually happening in the field itself.

a) First of all, the rescue rights issue at 16p last year, which we have heard was 10 times oversubscribed. Institutions must have seen something they liked. The stock opened in the mid 20p's on first day's dealing.

b) Then we had a second placing less just over half a year later at 50p. The price went down to the low 60p's as a result.

c) And STILL LESS THAN A YEAR LATER, it now looks as if we have another placing at 100p - 110p.....and if what I am hearing is correct, that too was comfortably tucked away.

Let's tackle this two ways.

Firstly, as was said by another speaker at the Oxford conference, it is absolutely normal practice, in a placing to discount the actual price to a degree so as to give institutions a little 'Brucie bonus' (to our American cousins, that's an expression used over here from a game show that obviously means giving people something extra as a bonus) for parting with chunks of cash.

In a raging bull market, I have no doubt that this placing would have been done at the market price or actually at a premium, but sadly, those conditions are no longer with us so we have to be realistic. It does make you wonder though, that with such advantages, why institutions are such arseholes when it comes to their overall performance.

Secondly, in markets that people still do not feel really comfortable about, we have institutions getting involved in 3 separate placings with over 600% difference between the price of the 1st and the 3rd, in LESS than ONE YEAR, with a stock listed on the AIM MARKET.

HELLO everyone, wake up and smell the coffee!!!!

Whatever happens on Monday, those institutions are seeing something that they believe is more than a little worthwhile. They wouldn't be putting up their money AGAIN at such a valuation for nothing or because they believe the price is overcooked.

Now, those with other agendas, will try and paint a different picture, but what I have just said is what is ACTUALLY happening in the REAL world of finance.

I also said in earlier posts that I am relaxed about what comes out on Monday.

We know a second licensing deal is close to being signed off, if not already. I have learned through my own direct experience with smaller companies at listed and unlisted level, that the expectations of the closure of such deals run away a little, but they invariably do get closed.

If we have yet to complete the deal, I expect to hear that closure really is imminent and to get a progress report.

If we go back to previous company announcements, it will be obvious that there are other potential partners out there that we have heard nothing of because the recent noise has centred around HH, FMC and now possibly PERRIGO?

But there are others too....such is the promise of this company's technology. Some of these are rumoured to be big pharmas....each in the TENS OF BILLIONS valuation range. I would really like to hear a little about what is happening here....because there is still an awful lot to go for there.

Basically, I am just after an update with real substance to make me comfortable to go on holding such a large amount of stock for the next few years, no matter how short term traders react on Monday and Tuesday.

So far, this is a fantastic story as has been evidenced by some savvy (and honest?) investors on this thread, by the signing of real and significant deals already, by massive buying from an ex - director and founder of the company, and finally, by 3 institutional placings (well, one of those was a rights issue) at ever higher valuations within the space of less than 1 year.

I think I will be smoking a large cigar with my early morning cup of tea on Monday. For those who have patience, most of the real rewards are yet to come.

Have a nice weekend folks.

THE COUNT!

Andy - 06 Mar 2004 13:01 - 307 of 2372

Nematode,

You may well be right, but surely if said deals were close, they could raise some bridging finance rather than dilute existing shareholders at such a low price?

Now some people on the "other" bb are mentioning a 110p placing rumour, rather than the 100p one last week, which is slightly better, we will have to see I guess.

jfletendre - 06 Mar 2004 13:24 - 308 of 2372

Count - thank you for your coherent summing up of the present position - much appreciated

Scottie - 06 Mar 2004 16:28 - 309 of 2372

nematode perhaps I have misjudged you. How could I ever think you were ramping?

17/2 "Well this baby is going to breach 2 by the end of this week."

17/2 "The only way is up!!!!"

19/2 "Progressing very nicely. Must be a big day tomorrow!!!!"

25/2 "Once the X-Gel packaging machines start working on production without serious difficulties, it will already look like Stock of the Year - and three or four contracts down the line - Stock-of-the-Decade - if not by then contender for Stock-Of-All-Time."

28/2 "The blue touch paper is about to be lit."

29/2 "This will rocket this week."

29/2 "We will be there to mop up cheap shares,there's money to be made!!!! This is called the generation of income!!!!!

2/3 "Just holding it's own before the fireworks fly. I expect a lot of buying towards the end of the week particularly Friday in anticipation of what's to come on Monday.....gee I'll have to take time off work on Monday!!!!

4/3 "Looking forward to a nice day tomorrow!!!!mm's have been beaten and tomorrow they won't be able to get any cheap shares as people look forward to the results."

AdieH - 06 Mar 2004 17:11 - 310 of 2372

Excellent post once again Count, hope your right, with the placing your suggesting its more to do with a possible acquisition! Any ideas who the target might be? I havent picked up any details on the other bulletin boards!

Regards
AdieH

Dil - 06 Mar 2004 19:42 - 311 of 2372

nemotade I aint going anywhere to the disappointment of many and your right you aint a ramper just a prat.

nematode - 06 Mar 2004 20:59 - 312 of 2372

Di and Scottie,I stand by my mails.I can't control the mm's.We will see who the prats are!!!I hope you will still visit this thread and eat a big humble pie when the the moment arrives which will be Monday!!!!

Remember the old adage "you've got to be in it to win it"

And you Bozo's can cry pauper as much as you like!!!!!

When you've been in since 85p.....then I suppose i can relax and smoke my cigar!!!

Dil - 07 Mar 2004 00:17 - 313 of 2372

nematode

What you want me to eat humble pie for ?

I get custard with it ?

What post don't you like ramper ?

Your just a wind up merchant , good luck , you may need it.

AdieH - 07 Mar 2004 11:17 - 314 of 2372

Blimmey you lot are acting like spoilt little children, lets just keep these posts to what we are all interested in, which is logical and intelligent posts that may help us all make a little money.....

goldfinger - 07 Mar 2004 13:11 - 315 of 2372

I agree with you Adie, we dont want to go the competitor way on this board, please lets not start. Its horses for courses, if you want a slanging match guys, arrange a suitable time on the competitor board.

Best of luck to everyone on the statement in the morning, wether Bull or Bear.

cheers GF.

aqafresh - 07 Mar 2004 13:59 - 316 of 2372

Im i missing somthing? but all the signs are for long term groth
(over next 1 to 2 years, and onwards)

why all the 'quick kill' talk

take a step back

Hold

1 year from now people will wish they got in at the 'current' top 160 ish
never mind 50/60p that some of us got in at

I am holding NO MATTER what happens Monday



goldfinger - 07 Mar 2004 14:33 - 317 of 2372

Agreed aqaF, please check out my post yesterday, its the longterm that counts for investors. Gamblings best done down the local bookies or casino.

cheers Gf.

nematode - 07 Mar 2004 20:49 - 318 of 2372

Very true aqua,1.60 will be a distant memory...probably tomorrow!!!!

goldfinger - 07 Mar 2004 20:52 - 319 of 2372

Best look to everyone in the morning, somehow think its going to be a damp squib, but then again you know I am the master of understatement LOL.

cheers GF

Scottie - 07 Mar 2004 21:00 - 320 of 2372

Here we go again nematode -------"1.60 will be a distant memory" ----- and what happened when you said it would be 2 a couple of weeks ago. The year results are going to show a loss of about 0.5million, okay that's not such a big deal, but at the same time it's not something to go overboard about. So many ifs and buts about this share, and still you carry on ramping it.Stick to your day job nematode.

Dil - 07 Mar 2004 22:51 - 321 of 2372

Point is GF what you or I think is irelavent , what the market thinks is.

BB ramping / deramping has very little effect imo.

Good luck all.

goldfinger - 08 Mar 2004 00:52 - 322 of 2372

Spot on Dil, ill be giving my mate tenby/dc an up date. Hope we are still pals.


Like you say the Market, the MMs yup they will control the price all day monday

cheers GF.

PS, not that bothered really as up or down monday its the long term that counts,

dont forget I came in with 5, 10% bagggrs + last week .



GF.

nematode - 08 Mar 2004 07:34 - 324 of 2372

Scottie,Dil....you guys accussed ME of RAMPING!!!!


Read and weep.What a set of annoucements.


"You have no reasons to be concerned!!!!!"

AdieH - 08 Mar 2004 08:23 - 325 of 2372

Yippeeeeee looking good for all us that had the faith......
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