Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

One difference is that the government are acting as guarantors of the loan. They are not spending money. Social housing would require funds to be spent.

true, though in the longer term the benefit would be better utilisation of existing housing stock and arguably at least some extra jobs created as well as the slow up-grading of the areas where this unused housing is located

They may not be spending money today, but they sure as hell will be when the latest Ponzi scheme goes tits up.

And in the meantime, the banks are laughing their asses off...cant lose!

and in the meantime, what is your sensible and constructive suggestion, or is it that like usual, that you have none?

cynic. as said many times on these threads, empty vessels make most noise.

I believe the MOD has also got spare capacity of homes, maybe those could be sold off cheaply.
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quite possibly, and certainly round here there was a big batch sold off a good number of years ago
whether or not there should be covenants to whom they are sold or other restrictions (length of tenure etc) is a different question

If the gov has money to burn, they should be investing it in manufacturing.

People need jobs, and pushing bits of paper around cannot provide this.

You have missed the point completely. The help to buy does not involve the government spending money. The government is guaranteeing the loans, subject to conditions.

Hays - MK is not worth wasting your breath on ...... he has nothing sensible of constructive to say - ever! ...... he can't or won't even answer the base question which is whether or not he thinks first time buyers should get any financial assistance ...... at least fred comes up with some possible alternative when he chooses not to just goad you!

Cynic,

As a man of wisdom of foresight do you think that Georgie Boy and Wavey Davey have made the correct economic changes over the last 3 years for the benefit of "all" of the "country", or on expeditious political grounds?

"If" the country was a Public company and you had responsibility for it, would think the investments that the above have made over the last three years, be the one's you would have made, and for the benefit for the shareholders?

Are the long term "social" consequences of their actions to be beneficial?

correct economic changes over the last 3 years for the benefit of "all" of the "country", or on expeditious political grounds?
always a difficult one to call, but certainly the austerity measures, tough as they most definitely were, probably pulled the uk economy around an awful lot quicker than the dribs and drabs (or nothing at all) that i recollect being recommended by others

though i have a pretty jaundiced view of most politicians (some more than others), i think whichever party is in power tries to perform as it perceives being in the best interests of the country.
that said, the labour party gets its arm twisted very heavily (in my opinion) by the more militant and vocal unions, while the conservatives gets its strings pulled to a greater or lesser extent by those on the more extreme fringes


"If" the country was a Public company and you had responsibility for it, would think the investments that the above have made over the last three years, be the one's you would have made, and for the benefit for the shareholders?
i don't know, or more relevantly, i don't know what i would have done or even suggested differently - always remembering that we know very few of the true facts and figures behind most decisions made
i'm pretty sure, on reflection, that i would not be so gung-ho about HS2, though there are certain elements who still maintain that even at £80bn it's a "must have"


Are the long term "social" consequences of their actions to be beneficial?
the inevitable curved ball always comes at the end!
this is not and never will be a utopian society, let alone world
human beings by their genetic nature are aggressive and greedy with, in the most simplistic way, the strong imposing their will on the weak and it always will be thus
however, these traits are somewhat suppressed in times of economic strength with all strata of society benefitting from it
you'll notice, i am sure, that i have not plunged down the blind alley of political nonsense and nor have i brought up the subject of immigration and its attaching social problems and reactions

Haven't you?

At least, you have avoided immigration which some believe the root of all UK problems!

i don't hold with that view though assuredly the open door policy has had serious consequencies across a wide range of social and other issues

a points system as used in australia would seem to be pretty effective in ensuring that those allowed in will not be a drain on resources ...... having saddled ourselves with assorted bits of nonsense laid down by brussels, we have exacerbated the problem - as usual, other countries within eu are not as accommodating

Cynic. you are wrong MaxK as a lot of good things to say I find him a very genuine poster unlike yourself who just wants to wind people up.

I think since hes started posting here hes brought a middle ground a sensible middle ground to all debate , very much unlike you and Haystack who just dont debate but try to dictate. (i dont always agree with him)

Your aligning yourself with haystacks is a serious mistake, posters are looking at you and seing his sick traits in you aswel. Youd do well to disconnect.

I once knew you as a sensible hounourable guy, these days youve been dragged into the gutter alongside haystack.

Get out before its too late and you have that permanent marking on your back.

hi sticky .... it is you (and allegedly others) who erroneously think that i am aligned with hays ..... sorry to disillusion you, but i am and always have been a bloke who marches to his own band

my opinion of MK has been clearly signed, and i am sure it is reciprocated, but that worries me not at all

cynic and I disagree on quite a few things.

The government's policies are for the benefit of all of society. The only route to better lives for everyone is successful business. We have NO source of wealth and income that does not come from business.

Doesnt come over that way Im afraid cynic.

Im afraid everybody thinks your Hays right hand man.

Not good to be seen sucking up to a self confessed sick tax evader, very poor form.

O/T markets dropping cyners, once down through 6400 I have a hunch that it will fall below 6000.

The US market needs a decent drop apart from Obama,s problems. The US market went up far too fast.

Damm it, my local shuts down today.

Thats now the 4th one in my area within walking (sometimes crawling) distance.

Just what do we need to keep our local pubs going???????? any ideas.

Not only will I miss the local ale but Ill also miss my pub mates, the cats wont have a watering hole and Ill have to stop fantasising about gettting into the sexy blonde Kaisha behind the bars bra.

What a shame.

Is this happening all over the country or just Yorkshire????????????????

Im certainly not supping supermarket ale.