Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

"They are only a handfull of Turks with these passports and they are
mostly civil servants"

It was only in the news last week about 1.5 million Turks having arrangements
being made to allow them to travel about freely, there must be an awful lot
of civil servants in Turkey.

Brexit has no creditable economic model.
They have nothing.
They can't demonstrate anything that is any better than what currently exits.
Any upturn in the Brexit poll numbers puts the pound under pressure.
It's all about economics and a substantial number of voters go with what is best economically for them and their families.
Too close to call still, but for now the polls, currency market and the bookies say we stay.

Well we all know what you want don't we wil i am you say the same thing every time , how many have actually agreed with you on this BB . Flood the country with people so you can build houses end of .Do us a favour .

one thing's for sure, this referendum and the closeness of the call have certainly put the wind up the plutocrats ...... they are exceedingly worried about the domino effect even if uk decides to remain

Victim.

Yes, voting to stay.
Consider it a personal favour just for you.

grannyboy
Almost no Turks have E-passports. Even when the get one, it is just a visitor system to allow visa fee travel and only in Schengen area which mean it doesn't apply to us. So they can't come here visa free even then. Even in the Schengen area they cannot work. Don't forget they can go to the Schengen area now, but need a visa. S all that is happening is that the visa won't be needed. Not much of a change and it doesn't even apply to the UK.

it was an unfair swipe at you will

i just hope that (a) there'll be a very high turnout and (b) that the margin for whoever carries the day will be <10%

if that is so, it is just possible that it will be a catalyst for change ..... just hope that effect does not wear off too quickly

Vicky,

It won't surprise you, that I support Will in all he has posted on this thread regarding the referendum.

It would be sheer madness to exit the EU.

What I am surprised about it that the other members of the EU haven't already tried to kick the UK out.

Officials discussed visa-free travel for Turkish 'Special' passport holders to UK.

Ian Duncan Smith has accused David Cameron of "an appalling deceit" after
it emerged British Officials have discussed granting visa free travel to the UK
for Turkish citizens.

A cache of five documents , seen by the Sunday Times suggests that EU officials
are looking to keep a visa deal with the country off the grid until after the 23rd
June referendum.

According to the telegrams, the European Commission has tried to "avoid
major escalation of tensions" with Turkey "before the end of June" so the
issue could be kept "under control".

Cynic.

With you on the high turn out/low margin win.
Lots of politic problems within EU. Single currency for all members, lack of transparency etc.

A world wide recession and stagnation, massive debt overhang, poor fiscal control in southern Europe, Middle East conflicts that we miss judged, mass refuges and economic migration etc etc all hit as a perfect storm.

The EU has to evolve as it responds. UK better in than out. How we in the UK see our role will be answered in next few days.
Jumping off the ship, without a life belt, as she rides the storms not necessarily the best option. Maybe better to put our energy into helping bale out the biliges and adjust the rudder.
UK can't expect the US, China , India or our old Commonwealth to throw us a life belt.
Like it or not we are part of Europe.

Better in then out my rse...

Its a failed ideological system...Stagnation...Yes in the EU.

The EU under performed other developed economies since the crisis of
2008/9.

In the five years to 2016 the euro area grew by 2.9%, Canada by 9.3%,
USA by 12%, Australia by 14.5%.

And why does anyone think its beneficial for an institution to take 8 years
for a trade agreement to be completed, as in the case of EU-Canada..

It should show anyone with an ounce of common sense that having to get
approval from twenty eight different countries, each with differing cultures
causes problems, money and jobs..

I'm out for the poor future generations of this country. I feel that a lot of voters only think of themselves. The politicians will be holding their heads in their hands in a few years. Very odd how all those businesses announced a preference for being in, all within hours of one another. Nothing odd about that, I'm sure. I wonder what some of those company leaders have been promised ?

The UK has missed out on TRILLIONS of pounds in trade due to EU
membership, according to a respected think tank.

A number of small independent countries that apparently had no
"collective clout" were still successful in agreeing trade deals.

Chile, Korea, Singapore, and Switzerland had ALL been more successful
then EU in agreeing trade deals with other countries.

One example was Chile that had agreements in force was 58.3 TRILLION
pounds.

While in the same period the EU agreements in force was just $6.7 trillion USD.

A massive anomaly, and a disgraceful performance by the EU...

Report author Michael Burrage. "Myth and Paradox in the Single Market"

Published by CIVITAS.

The €U is a fabulous place if you are one of the chosen few, not so good if you are a normal worker.

Look around at the unemployment figs country by country, it's bad up north, but for the sunset countries, it's horrendous.

The sprouts solution? More €U. (even if it doesent work)

Yep, it's pathetic the economic arguement is best served by LEAVE.
Re the Turks, in one of his tele debates Gove said the government was at this time spending money to actively get them in the EU. As far as the 30 odd tasks are concerned, just employ Goldman Sachs to wangle the figures, it worked for Greece, now look at them.
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Vicky sorry for the tardy reply, yes UK co's are being taken over and obtaining grants/loans from the EU to take their production away from the UK. If you think about it the EU is doing this with our money.
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If the vote is to REMAIN then there will be £Billions to pay to shore up failing countries, failing because of the Euro. The mind boggles when there are millions of migrants (mainly young men) from outside the EU forcing their way into Europe and the hierarchy stands by and allows it to happen when the young men of Spain, Greece. Italy, and Portugal are unemployed. The youth of those countries have been betrayed big time by their self-serving politicians.
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I will be glad when Thursday is over. Can't watch the news without listening to bs. Hopefully Friday we will be out but, if not, others will carry on. We and Germany are actually doing well. The rest of the EU is pits. Spain can't form a government. The opposition is increasing in Italy. Poland is fed up with the EU commission, Hungary thinks they are all imbeciles etc etc.

It wont go tits up till Brussels runs out of other peoples money.

Granny
"Officials discussed visa-free travel for Turkish 'Special' passport holders to UK."

Special passport holders are just senior civil servants.