Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

ah yes - the bloke who makes up numerous silly and untrue stories about me and also gets even sillier when presented with something factual (a question) which he then pretends doesn't say what it very clearly and unequivocally does .... little children often act that way

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chris - you're entitled to your view, which is why i asked the question, but out of curiosity, why not?

Electronic cigarettes should theoretically have fewer toxic effects than traditional cigarettes.[9][10] Nevertheless, concrete evidence is insufficient as of 2013,[9][2] although tentative evidence suggests they are safer than real cigarettes, and possibly as safe as other nicotine replacement products.[6]

The electronic systems appear to generally deliver less nicotine than smoking.[9] The amount of nicotine delivered is believed to vary between different brands of electronic cigarettes.[2]

Maybe the amount is to small to be addicted

Cynic..........................................

probably true, but again, not the question i asked

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fred - generally speaking i too prefer good burgundy, but it's not only difficult to find, but damn expensive too .... some of those made in oregon and washington state are very good, but certainly not cheap

Rubbish.

are you ok goldfinger , have you fallen from your PC

his ok

e-cigarettes are likely to be classified as medicine and be only available in a restricted manner.

There has been research recently indicating that substances in e-cigarettes may be cancers causing.

Rubbish.

Electronic cigarettes, seen by many as a healthy alternative to tobacco smoking, do cause damage to the lungs, scientists from the University of Athens, Greece, explained at the European Respiratory Society's Annual Congress 2012, Vienna, on Sunday. Electronic cigarettes, also called e-cigarettes have also been marketed as effective smoking cessation devices.

Professor Christina Gratziou and team set out to determine what the short-term effects of smoking with e-cigarettes might be on different individuals, including those with no known health problems, as well as existing smokers with and without lung conditions.

They carried out experiments on 32 volunteers; of whom 8 were lifetime non-smokers and 24 were current regular smokers. Some of them had healthy lungs, while others lived with asthma or COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease).

They were asked to use an electronic cigarette for 10 minutes, inhaling the vapors into their lungs. A spirometry test, as well as some others diagnostic procedures were used to measure their airway resistance. Airway resistance is used in respiratory physiology to measure the resistance of the respiratory tract to airflow coming in during inspiration (inhalation) and going out during expiration (exhalation).

They found that using an e-cigarette caused an instant increase in airway resistance that lasted for 10 minutes in the majority of the participants. Below are some of their findings:

Haystack.............................................

Electronic cigarettes contain carcinogenic chemicals that make some as harmful as normal tobacco, a new French study has claimed.

The report comes after government plans announced in May this year to ban electronic cigarettes from public places in France.

Now monthly magazine 60 Millions Consommateurs (60 Million Consumers) has branded the devices as 'far from the harmless gadgets they're sold as by manufacturers'.

The magazine - which reports the findings of the National Consumers' Institute - said it tested ten different rechargable and disposable models for carcenogenic and toxic properties.

Editor Thomas Laurenceau wrote: 'We detected a significant quantity of carcinogenic molecules in the vapour of these cigarettes which have thus far gone undetected.

'In three models out of ten the levels of the carcinogenic compound formaldehyde come close to those of a conventional cigarette.

The highly toxic molecule acrolein was also detected in the vapours of e-cigarettes, sometimes at levels even higher than in traditional cigarettes.'

The report also criticised certain models for lacking child-proof safety caps because nicotine levels contained in the liquid content of an electronic cigarette could be lethal to children.

Mr Laurenceau added: 'It's not a reason to ban them, but a good reason to control them.'

French Health Minister Marisol Touraine announced in May that the ban on smoking in public places would be extended to cover electronic cigarettes, and that they would be subject to the same controls as tobacco.

The move has sparked outrage among sellers and users of the battery-powered devices which contain liquid nicotine that is turned into a vapor when inhaled.

Ms Touraine said: 'The e-cigarette is not an ordinary product.

'We need to apply the same measures as there are for tobacco.

'That means making sure it cannot be smoked in public places, that its sale is restricted to over 18s and that firms are not allowed to advertise the products.'

E-cigarettes are currently legal to use in bars and restaurants and all other public places, where traditional smoking has been banned for five years.

A ban would harm the booming e-cigarette industry in France, where around one million people now use the gadgets, vendors insist.

Darren Moon, the English owner of online store Vapshop.fr, said: 'If they ban it in public or in the workplace, I'll be closing my store, or moving it somewhere where there aren't restrictions like that.

'Twenty percent of our business is selling disposable e-cigarettes to restaurants, clubs, bars and hotels. So if there's a workplace ban, I'd have to start firing people.'

E-cigarettes were first invented in China in 2003, as many nations began imposing bans on smoking, and are aimed at giving the user a similar sensation to smoking a cigarette.

In March this year, health expert Professor Bertrand Dauzenberg told France's Europe 1 radio that e-cigarettes could have the opposite effect that is designed for.

He added: 'These electronic cigarettes could also lead children to start smoking and sale should be banned to minors.

'However for heavy smokers, I believe these will reduce the health risks, but the best way to quit smoking is the patch or chewing gum.'

Haystack...................................

cynic - If it helps me to quit smoking tobacco and until proven otherwise my doing so doesn't harm anybody else then why not. My choice, as is yours if you decide to drink one bottle of wine or two with your dinner. This regulation issue unless proven otherwise stinks of yet another tax on freedom of choice.

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/tobaccocancer/questionsaboutsmokingtobaccoandhealth/questions-about-smoking-tobacco-and-health-e-cigarettes

Cynic,

Our posts were out of sync.

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Rubbish.


Referred to comment "Maybe the amount is to small to be addicted"

Ie. nicotine.

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The Burgundies are nice.

I approve of your taste.

8-)

At least in wine.

Ps.

What is you wife like?

She must be tolerant.


8-)

All smoking is bad for you...full stop!


However, I like a cigar, and so like to light up.


But take the average bus, it spews out more cancer causing agents into the air than any smoker...when are they going to ban the bus?

yes fred, she is, which is one of the reasons i am sure that we have now been married tolerably happy for nearly 35 years ..... we give eaxch other space - e.g. she rarely interferes with when i want to play golf - and for my part, i keep her well fed 4/5 times a week!

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MK - knowing this thread, my original question has probably been swamped and/or hijacked, so i'll set it again .....

should e-cigarettes have the same strictures attaching as tobacco ones?

Like Tax the same ?