Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

hmm mr sticky .... not trying to slant the facts to suit your political bias i hope .... in other words, stop talking bollocks

Manuel.

I am reporting you to the suitable authority for language offence or something similar.

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As I wrote before, calling somebody a pleb seems hardly a criminal offence and the description was frequently used when I was a student as a mild insult in banter.

Whether, or not the word pleb was used is not material.

What is material, as GF points out, is the attitude of Mitchell to an employee.

It appears knowingly offensive and abuse of his privileged position and Mitchell is a poor example to the plebs and not fit for office.

If he had apologised at the time, it could be accepted differently and I would hoped be dismissed without mark.



Falsification of evidence verbal of otherwise is not acceptable, especially by the police, if as I suspect in this case it is so, then prosecution may be the necessary action.

However, the evidence corroborating Mitchell claim may be insufficient.

Also, part of evidence concerning the words Mitchell actually used, should then be in the public domain, as well as any evidence of his demeanour at the time of the said offence.

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Fred 10 Alf 0.

Yep well said Stan.

Fact is Mitchell has a history of being a nasty barsteward, thats why he was recruited to the Tory Whip office.

Dont get me wrong I cant stand the police and have come up against their non flexible ways, BUT that doesnt mean they are wrong.

Just as in the forces, rules are rules and Mitchell felt he was above them.

He was lucky he didnt get a whack across the back of the head, I have.

It doesn't matter what Mitchell actually said as it is quite clear that the police have falsified evidence and attempted to pervert the course of justice. Mitchell was rude, but the police have acted illegally. It is a lot worse as the ones committing the offence are police.

Rules are rules Hays, this is a security issue, are you denying that.???????

Fred - you seem to be missing the point really and it's called double standards I think. Gf seems to think it is " ignorant" for a Tory minister to refer to a police officer as a pleb, but presumably then he doesn't think he is ignorant for referring to me as a pleb on a public bulletin board. It's the attitude of using the offensive remark - whether as an employer to an employee, or as one member of the public to another which infers 'I think I am a superior person to you'. Apart from that, the police have again been caught falsifying evidence and trying to get away with it.

DB.

You seem to me to be on a higher horse than plebs were allowed to ride.

But your opinion of the Mitchell case is similar to what I think I wrote.
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But do you think yourself a pleb?

8-') Honest.

It's quite amazing really to think three police officers lied and Mitchell had to resign because of that. I wonder which political party the police officers are affiliated to?

Just seen your question Fred. Do I think I'm a pleb - no, but I admit I can be a pain in the arse! Do you think you are a pleb?

Fred hes not a pleb hes a second class 'B' lister PUNK as I said last night.

Cannot understand you unless you are playing him.....WINK..... taking the time replying to him.

I have him filtered.

Haystack nails it in #31101

Max....sorry mate I disagree, dont forget hes an MP and voted for by the people of his constituency.....what does his lout behaviour send to them as a message.

Dont forget MPs were once the pillars of social society within an electorate area.

I say both are as bad as each other.

Both parties should be dismissed immediatly.

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that jack straw, whom i have always rated, says that the absolute minimum the police should do is to apologise, speaks volumes

for the police to retain public support, which is certainly and deservedly far lower than it used to be, the few bad apples have to be very clearly and openly taken to task in whatever manner is appropriate .... for the police to carry out their own snail-pace investigation and then, when it is admitted that evidence was deliberately falsified, and then do nothing is appalling

for guys here to try to pass blame back to mitchell is pretty contemptible
he may or may not be an abrasive character, but then so are many here - including myself - but that in no way warrants let alone justifies the blatant attempt by certain sectors of the police force to damage mitchell's character for their own ends

how many innocent people have been set up by the police .
plebgate has opened the door to no justice

rather overstated as to be expected, but the essence is not so far from the mark and certainly a growing public perception

In other words... Cynic agrees with Tanker on the subject.

What surprised me is that the Police knew what Pleb ment. I didn't, never heard of it before.

that's because you're one of the hoi polloi :-)