The 2005 general election is nearly upon us. Which way will you vote, and you reasons why. Here is a brief list of the potential contestants, please add your own.


More tax!
Less tax!
Dont know!
Death to all infidels!
Who gives a shit?

The great pretender.

I say Prescott for Prime Minister, now would'nt that be fun.

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If you think I am going to plough through pages of diatribe to see if you have insulted me, think again.
If you HAVE insulted me, be happy.
I would hate to have to listen to all you putative Fidel Castros'. Be honest,
you do go on a bit. As for Scotland having PR - that's news to me.
Have a nice day.

standber,

not an insult, an accusation

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& as for Castro, socialism/communism is illogical.

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& as for Castro, socialism/communism is illogical.

Disagree: They are very logical and the height of aspiration for humans.
Trouble is, people spoil it. Greed, corruption, power and fear are the cancers
that destroy the lofty ideals and concepts of communism.
Castro has been just about the best of all at the attempts to make it work. And the populace can't wait for him to croak.

Always have and always will vote Tory............I know where I stand with them. ALL (with few execptions)politicians lie. I just happen to think that Tories lie the least.

"Always have and always will vote Tory...........I know where I stand with them".


Profumo...Aitkin...Archer... have I missed anyone?


Sounds like your saying standber that you don't mind voting and supporting a party that's harbed those crooks.

Stan,
How about this lot with their bullying and subjugating and lying to take us to WAR.( Dr kelly is no longer here to be able to tell you)
Reid,Mandelson and Campbell and which Party releases bad news when they think the time is ripe when the publics attention is diverted elsewhere.
I know which I would prefer to these lying scumbags.

Stan
'Quoted out of context' is the term. My two sentences made a paragraph
of two lines............and you quote one sentence! I Bet you vote Socialist!

It is not the economy which determines which way the punters vote, but short term greed. The lying ---- can lead me where they like as long as they feed me. Just like camp followers.

After the hype of pre-election Blair are the bills beginning to come in. It will be interesting to see how much longer America's economic position in the world is sustained. Empires fall because of economic factors, not military might. Over the next few years it will be interesting to see the oil producers turn the screw on America and its cohorts and the economic pressure from China and Asia.

Bush's prancing around the world talking about democracy and how he has influenced it in other parts of the world is laughable. The "democracy" in America is dependant on "big money" and its legal missuse of it.

The new democracies being supported by American money in order to obtain oil deals.

How many members of congress and senate are paid and supported by large interanational companies.

This form of democracy is being imported by "New Labour" and swallowed by party members. Again it will be interesting to see half way through this "new" governments term of office, how many paid up party members have been lost and what large donations,(for Baronetcies) have been given to the three main parties of this country.

Fred1New
Before 1997, the likes of Dennis Skinner (aka The beast of Bolsover) said that the next Labour Govt would create 1000 Lordships and vote themselves out of existance. Well, Tony Blair is more astute than that. Over his period so far,
he has created enough to give him a Labour majority in the Lords. These he will
increase more and more but not abolish them. Then he can be sure that what
is referred to the Lords, he will get passed. Crafty,eh?

His latest of course is this Adonis guy. He already has the Law Lords in his pocket with the Lord Chancellor.

Tony's Cronies in the Lords. This really does represent patronage and true values of NEW LABOUR. I would think a Baron's seat is worth a couple of BOB. Do they get a pension or does the poor B----R have to survive on a protected government pension like the rest of the cabinet. That should pay some of their or their kids' mortgages.

What a bl---y hypocrisy we have installed!!!

Mind he tells me he is listening and understands the messages with all the A---- lic---- will support him for their pensions.

Mind he "believes", if his followers believe in him that the party can rule for another 100years. How long was the 3rd Reich for?

Roll on the revolution!!

hi lads/standber/fredINEW / NO WONDER YOU VOTE TORY////you are so FULL OF CRAPS i can/t believe it/////

bristlelad.

Silly boy. BTW, you've not cured your sticky 'shift' key.

According to Channel 4 lunch time news Re: Rover it looks as the pension contributions which they paid & the government New Pensions saftey net dont now appear to aply to the ex staff and managers untill the whole firm goes broke
so much for government promises.?

Parkin - The new pensions safety net was for companies that have gone broke (plus other criteria). As you put it in your post "....untill the whole firm goes broke ...". So surely, the governemnt HAS kept its promise.

Anyway - what's it got to do with the government. Rover has been insecure for some time now. Why should the government (and us tax payers) bail it out?

Starfrog, How will you feel, if the company directors of all the shares you hold pay themselves a couple of million each a year for a number of years, at the same time hiving off money into different companies before letting the company you invested in go burst. Could happen to-morrow for you.

I guess you would feel fairly aggrieved. I admit there is a problem with private and public pensions and don't feel that the companies should be subsidised by the public purse. I feel that there should be a body set up as insurance, paid for by the various companies running their own pension scheme.

However, the recent governments have ducked their responsibilities of monitoring these funds and are continuing to do so.

I think this and previous governments has abdicated on basic social or humane principles by avoiding the issues.

It appears the present government is going to try to duck its responsibilities again.

Like it or not there are a large number of decent hard working people in this country who on their incomes (or wealth) can not afford to pay into private pension schemes.
The number is going to increase considerably unless there is a review of private and public responsibilities and necessary review of taxation policies. The gap between rich and poor is growing to large and will probably lead to more disharmony in society.

I am lucky in that my pensions are more than sufficient for my needs, but I doubt that my children or grand children will be in the same situations.

Fred1new - I agree with your sentiment. But if you read my post again I was just being pedantic by pointing out to Parkin that he had shot himself in the foot with regards to an attack on this government, re: not keeping promises. Clearly they have regarding this particular issue.

My second point is also valid, whether we like it or not. Why should the government bail out those companies who mess up their pension provisions. Should we take from the governments pension reserves to top up private schemes? I agree with you that a lot of honest hard working individuals are messed about with this whole pension issue, but surely stealing from Peter to feed Jane doesn't help.

StarFrog. I dont disagree too strongly from your statements, and certainly think it is doubtful practice for the government in general to take on retrospectively financial responsibilities. But I do think this government has been ducking its responsibilities in many ways, especially the Pension Problems. There have been various statements from various ministers acknowledging these problems, but little action be taken.

As far the government as picking up the tabs, if the pensioners have insufficient funds at retirement after contributing into the company pension fund to live on, the government is unlikely to let them starve and is therefore they are eventually to pick up some tabs in one way or another.

Anyway I hope you had a profitable day.

MaxK
Any way of deleting the 'banner'? Ta.

Hi standber.

Got rid of the scrolling bit, is that what you mean?


Seeing as this thread has turned into a general rant and argue jobby. Does anyone want the rest of the header altered...if so, suggestions please.

MaxK
........the poll ratings. March?

Tell me what to do and I will shift it. Unless it can only be you.

Hope all OK and daughter enjoying uni. VBR. S.