Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

How many have you had tonight H/S?

People think it always rains in Manchester. Not true though I admit it's the only town in the country with lifeboat drill on the bus routes.

LOL, he still hasnt caught on. Too much wine.

Was just pulling your leg hays.

This is getting silly, so I will bid you all goodnight -):

Night Stan.

Off myself to watch Question Time.

See ya all tomorrow.

Highlights

An estimated 5.5m British people live permanently abroad – almost one in 10 of the UK population. The emigration of British people has happened in cycles over 200 years. The trend is now rising again: some 2,000 British citizens moved permanently away from the UK every week in 2005.

This unique project aims to explain where people have gone. On the regional and country pages you will find data on what we know about that part of the world. For more on the methodology and the key issues about emigration, click on the links at the bottom of these pages.
BRITS ABROAD: THE TOP COUNTRIES
Country name Resident Britons
Australia 1,300,000
Spain 761,000
United States 678,000
Canada 603,000
Ireland 291,000
New Zealand 215,000
South Africa 212,000
France 200,000


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According to the Office for National Statistics, the number of British citizens who have moved abroad has risen by a fifth under the Coalition, reaching 154,000 last year.
Separate figures, published by the OECD, show that almost 1.3million Britons with university-level education are living abroad, more than any other developed economy.
Nick de Bois, secretary of the 1922 committee of backbench MPs, says Britain has a "sales job to do" to convince talented professionals not to leave the country.
He said: "We live in a very mobile, global market people can look around and they can judge where they want to go. My concern is that people are putting their own interests first and looking to beyond the European Union.
"We have to convince those people, who we have invested so much in, to make Britain their first choice. We have to continue to drive lower taxes, we have to keep driving the change and reform in our public services."

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I think we should repatriate the tax dodgers, but leave the rest where they are.

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The previous discussion has been aimless.

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Start with defining what one would think is the "goal" you see appropriate for the UK and its inhabitants.

Also, considered whether you decide on that goal is for your own personal benefit or based on personal prejudices.

Perhaps, if you can define the above there might be a pathway to it.

Ok, so educated people are bailing out, whilst uneducated non English speakers are being bailed in.


Result?

Justin Welby, Archbishop Of Canterbury, Tells Faith Leaders The Religious Are Not 'Mad'


Of course they are

Fred says...." The previous discussion has been aimless"................ends.

Sorry Fred I dont think it as at all.

We are looking at probably 1 million young kids on the dole, thats the official figure, probably more like double that if you look at those doing part time work.

We have a drastic problem in this country and that requires drastic action.

Both the Torys and labour have said in one way or another these youngsters have to work for their benefits or get nothing.

So where are these 1 million jobs going to come from and where will they be situated.???????????????????????.

I have put forward my ideas on what should be done its a one off and yes does include a lock on immigration for a certain number of years, but it certainly does not fall into this......."goal is for your own personal benefit or based on personal prejudices.".............ends.

Now if you can come up with a better model than the one I have outlined earlier this evening and you roughly cost it (and I dont mean one liners like hays and cynic have put forward) I would be all ears and not biased in any way.

We cannot just leave young people doing nothing day in day out and waiting for so called experts to come up with ideas like re-distributing wealth from pensioners too them.

These young people will be losing all self respect and be outcasts in the social arena. What future do they have to live for.

Elizabeth Windsor ‏@Queen_UK
People of the UK, take the day off. Have a long weekend. If anyone asks, tell them the Queen said it was ok. #Friday

The implications of not being able to believe the police are almost too awful to contemplate


By Daniel Hannan Politics Last updated: October 18th, 2013



That embarrassing Labour poster…



The cops in Luton have a lot to answer for. Their calamitous decision to protect a demonstration by some Islamist cretins against returning British soldiers, and to crack down on counter-demonstrators, was instrumental in creating the English Defence League. In the current issue of the Spectator, Douglas Murray talks to Tommy Robinson, who has left the organisation he founded, and concludes that that the salon owner was motivated throughout by a grievance against police double standards.

We all have our favourite examples of foolish policing: the baton-charges against pro-hunting demonstrators in Parliament Square, where anti-capitalist agitators had earlier been allowed to tear up the turf and deface Churchill’s statue; the arrest of the man who called a police horse “gay”; the charging of the dummkopf who burned a Koran in his own garage – rather stretching the definition of a “public order offence”; the arrest of Damian Green; the conspiracy against Andrew Mitchell.

Sometimes, poor policing has truly catastrophic results. The rioting that disfigured our cities in 2011 was triggered by the Met’s decision to stand aside as protesters in Tottenham ransacked shops. Why did they not go in hard at the beginning? Possibly because, after years of racism awareness training, they approached the issue in terms of community relations rather than simple lawlessness. As if to underline the point, during the ensuing disorder, while the Met was screaming for help, neighbouring Surrey Police found time to charge one of my constituents with racial harassment because she had a golliwog doll in her window.

At this point, some Leftie readers might be saying, “Well now you know how it feels, Tory Boy. Damian Green and Andrew Mitchell have been on the receiving end of what black kids used to go through every week without anyone making much fuss”. If this is so, it surely makes matters worse. Two sets of prejudiced policing don’t cancel each other out; they magnify each other.

L’affaire Mitchell is shocking, not because rozzers are shown to have lied – rozzers, after all, were shown to have lied about Ian Tomlinson, Jean Charles de Menezes, the Hillsborough victims and others – but because of the extraordinary self-confidence of the officers involved, who assumed they could bring down a Cabinet minister as easily as fitting up a petty crook.



More: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100241934/the-implications-of-not-being-able-to-believe-the-police-are-almost-too-monstrous-to-contemplate/

GF

I apologise.

I was not including the contents of your Post 31228 in my response.

Unless being flippant, the problem with responding to this topic is clarifying one's thoughts and trying not to be long winded.

I think what "work is", unemployment, distribution of work and "rewards for work" and the "principles" relating to a modern, complex, sophisticated society have to be reconsidered.

One of the reason for responding to various post is to clarifying thoughts by making the effort of putting it on paper. (On the screen.)

I may respond to your proposals again, if I find my aimer.

Romania to release prisoners if they leave the country .

immigration as fcuked the uk and now 80% have had a enough .
600.000 on benefits and 2.7 million illegals can not be found
living in sheds and takeaways sleeping on floors .
all down to the EU

we want out vote UKIP .
my party the con party are a party of liars
the libs are LIARS
the lab are just CLOWN

question time only ukip had answers

Labour Loses Poll Lead Over Tories Amid 'Economic Optimism'

The Labour has lost its lead over the Conservatives with both parties now tied on 35%, according to a poll published on Thursday.

The Ipsos MORI survey for the Evening Standard will worry Ed Miliband as it suggests the rise in fortunes for David Cameron is linked to a tentative economic recovery.

It is the first time Labour and the Conservatives have been tied in an Ipsos MORI poll since January 2012. The parties were also shown to be level in a YouGov poll in mid-September before the party conference season got underway.

ever one I talk to is voting UKIP

Then you need to talk to more people as UKIP are polling around 10%. At that rate they won't even come close to getting one MP.

Fred no need for an apology, dont be daft.

Just wondered what people would do because of the high level of young unemployed and the various comments made yesterday about a redistribution of wealth from pensioners to youth which im totaly against.

Pensioners as I have pointed out have been hit hard by the austerity measures in different ways than other parts of the poulation, PLUS pensioners get a poor pension here compared to most other Europeans.

Jobs have to be found for young people and a drastic one off measure is required.

Hays yes Ive seen that neck and neck poll strange you havent mentioned the Sun one on the same day showing labour with a 5 point lead PLUS your poll showed that more and more people are warming to ED Milliband. His % is very much up whilst Camorons is falling.

Its the lies you know, the lies.

GF,

I don't think the solution to UK economic problems is the said "not having "full employment" or "productivity"".

I think it is delusion, but if one changes from those terms to a "redistribution" of "contribution" to society and the "rewards or benefits" from society to the individual then the goal may be recognisable and feasible.

I have puzzled over this for 20-30+ years I am trying to put in on paper and if it makes sense to me I will post it.

A, T, C and H won't understand it, but one can try.

8-)