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BP are they worth 350p (BP)     

mitzy - 25 May 2010 08:48

The oil rig disaster in the Gulf of Mexico has damaged BP's reputation will they manage to avoid a share collapse to 350p.?

Chart.aspx?Provider=EODIntra&Code=BP.&Si

472p to buy this morning.

Nar1 - 24 Jun 2010 07:58 - 313 of 1170

press release





June 23, 2010



UPDATE ON LMRP CAP CONTAINMENT OPERATIONS



The lower marine riser package (LMRP) cap containment system was successfully reinstalled on the Deepwater Horizon's failed blow-out preventer (BOP) at approximately 1830 CDT on June 23. This containment system is connected to the drillshipDiscoverer Enterprise on the surface.



The system resumed collecting oil and gas at 1900 CDT on June 23.



The LMRP cap containment system was moved off the BOP at approximately 0845 CDT on June 23 as a precaution following observation of an unexpected discharge of seawater from a diverter valve on the Discoverer Enterprise.



Capture of oil and gas through the BOP's choke line via a manifold to the Q4000 vessel on the surface has continued uninterrupted throughout the day.



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BP Press Office London +44 20 7496 4076

BP Press Office, Houston: 1 281 366 0265

www.bp.com/gulfofmexicoresponse



- ENDS -

TheFrenchConnection - 24 Jun 2010 08:48 - 314 of 1170

The very "brand" name of BP is coming under heavy pressure now; what with American motorists boycotting their outlets/ gas stations ..........cant see ANY upside on BP whatsoever.... but given that most Americans have a memory span of about 10 seconds their boycotting BP pumps maybe nothing more than a little sabre rattling

Gausie - 24 Jun 2010 08:54 - 315 of 1170

Gone long - small position with a tight stop. Probably daft, but there seems to be a bit of support forming around 332.

I reckon there's an 80% chance the trade will fail, but the stop's so tight and the target so much higher that the risk reward ratio still makes the trade worthwhile.

G

Edit - originally in at 332.8, just added a few more at 330.8. Stop is at 329.8. Target 356.

TheFrenchConnection - 24 Jun 2010 09:16 - 316 of 1170

what with hurrican season almost upon us and american millitary meteorologists predicting some real baddies i hate to think where this slick the size of jamaica will end up ......Can you imagine the effect another katrina would have on environment / s/p? .........................edit ....trouble with such tight sl is a few sells and your sold out ...........but there again keeping trades small is your best bet in going long and not loosing your shirt

Gausie - 24 Jun 2010 09:49 - 317 of 1170

Thanks for the advice French.

Not worried about predicted hurricanes, lawsuits, leak containment failures, price of oil, court cases or anything like that - as a chartist, so far as I'm concerned, it's all in the price.

The only reason I considered the BP chart is because everywhere you look in the media you see doom and gloom - there seems to be negative sentiment in every corner. And the one thing we know about the markets for sure is that they will always do whatever hurts the most people. And you have to assume in this case that 'most people' are now either short, capitulated long, or are long and stubborn but considering capitulation.

And yet the chart is showing support at 330/332 - it may well be part of a pennant signalling a drop to 300/290, or it may be a bottom forming before a trip back to 380ish. If you have level 2, check out the massive support on the order book between 330 and 330.25.

The long side looks the less risky trade to me simply because the stop loss is better defined.

G

Gausie - 24 Jun 2010 10:28 - 318 of 1170

sold a few at 335.8 - part banked and the rest of the profit pays for the risk on the remaining position - assuming I'm not spiked out below my stop.

If we retest today's lows I'll probably build the position a little; otherwise I'm pretty happy with the morning's trading and will let things run.

nordcaperen - 24 Jun 2010 10:36 - 319 of 1170

Unlucky Boy - since nobody as answered your question, the problem is for the next 20 years you wont see a Dividend, There are talks of all BP. assets being seized in the US of A = 20 Billion wont last 10 mins when the Lawyers start raping the Account and basically the Company is F*****. And like someone earlier mentioned, imagine a Hurricane spreading the slick - might even be able to claim here on the East Coast of the U.K, Now wheres them claim forms !!

Gausie - 24 Jun 2010 10:48 - 320 of 1170

Thanks Nord - that's an extreme (some might say 'nutcase') version of the sort of negative sentiment that's out there in spades. It means that the markets expect mildly bad news and so the BP sp wouldn't react significantly to such news. Unexpected good news, on the other hand, would have a huge impact.

hangon - 24 Jun 2010 12:25 - 321 of 1170

nordcaperen, I fear yr a tad too depressed. Sure BP is in heck of a mess, but it's not all BP's fault, IMHO. The company isn't reckless beyond reason, paerticularly as few of us have been there. When things start to change decisions have to be taken; on average BP appears to have done reasonably well in the past - and this is an entirely new situation. Sureely reality will strike at the hearts of US citizens as they fill up their SUV...that they are the root cause of oil-demand and the consequence is risk. It was the US Gov that wants home-based exploration - and I'm not convinced that all these "poverty" claims are on the level - witness the delays the US Government has seen fit in the Mississippi flooding - that was years ago!.
Also, BP has set aside money, so it's more-like sharing it out, rather than starting a new claim....anyone that tries that may find they do have a long drawn-out (expensive) wait - Let's not forget BP had a cap on their liability, something that's been forgotten short-term.

Once this oil is pumping--clean, plus the anticipated hurricane may do more good than harm (by dispersing the oil, so nature can cope?), the reality is that with BP operating, they are "probably" the best chance USA has for this (and other) deep drilling, if only a competant source of BOP can be sourced......my suspicion is that a NEW approach will be needed, perhaps so smaller (conventional) BOP's can be used- or maybe the depth demands a new approach, dunno.

What is sure is, there really is a lot of oil down there.
You suggest " ...20-years before the dividend is reinstated ..."
.... BP's is more likely to go belly-up IMHO. The "Sentiment" will turn quite quickly (this is only yet another spill, it's nothing new) also there are many US-citizens dependent on BP for employment and their pension funds . . . . My guess is two years should see some restoration . . . . Well, hope so, I bought a few a week ago at 3.57
but who knows?
Maybe Gausie is right about the sp movemenmt, I'm agreed . . .

nordcaperen - 24 Jun 2010 12:58 - 322 of 1170

Gausie, what good news is that then, Do you mean the Guy who's just blown his own brains out because he's lost his Livelyhood - Sure that'll get the sp flying, Hang on though, get any 25 Million people with claims to do the same and hey presto you might get a Dividend in 10 years not 20. Even BP. as big as they are will not survive this in the long term - Obama WILL seize assets, BP will cease to exist as is, that is a fact. By all means take your gamble and buy the shares, just dont be crying when you get a 'Told you so' in the future. Now stop inter-rupting me Im filling my BP. Claim Form out for cleaning the Hulls of my Super-Yatch.

Gausie - 24 Jun 2010 13:04 - 323 of 1170

Nord - "what good news is that then?" - that's the point. I have no idea what good news might come, nor indeed whether any will. Nobody expects any good news, everybody expects bad news. Bad news will consequently do little to shift the sp. Good news will put a rocket up its arse. Ask a competent trader what the word 'sentiment' means.

I don't give a toss about obama or dividends or long term industry prospects - all that nonsense is in the price. And so far as your 'super yacht' (or 'super yatch' or whatever you call it) is concerned, I wish you the very best of luck with your insurance claim.

So far as regretting the trade is concerned, there's little chance of that. I opened the position expecting a loss and I traded the opening position reasonably succesfully this morning. If you check back you'll see I posted the trades as I made them. I have banked a small profit (just a couple of hundred pounds) and have used the additional profit from this morning to bankroll any prospective losses on the remaining position. It's now a win or win trade for me. If I do cry when you give me your 'told you so' speech, it's likely to be tears of laughter at your inability to understand the simple methods that traders use to spot opportunities to make money whilst sheep and bunnies like you stare frozen into the oncoming headlights.

Have you never traded against strong sentiment before? It usually offers the very best of all market opportunities.

Now go finish cleaning your yacht. And do the little yellow duck too. It'll be bath time soon.

G

Balerboy - 24 Jun 2010 13:27 - 324 of 1170

On the other hand a hurricane or two might be the best thing to happen, it could well have the effect of naturally dispersing the oil natures way. Not disputing the fact that oil is still gushing and until stopped is still the problem. In my naieve mind I would have thought with todays specialty explosives, they could have sealed the well with a charge in the right place and drilled again for a new well.....any comments? BB

nordcaperen - 24 Jun 2010 13:43 - 325 of 1170

Whatever, for 200 profit mate - Give up you'll be telling me next you do spread betting as well !!! You end up losing all your Benefit Money playing them games, buy yourself The Sun , Throw a dart in the Horsey section and put your dole money on that, you'll have more chance. You Big Spender you !!!!!! Roflmao

Gausie - 24 Jun 2010 13:46 - 326 of 1170

If that was the 'told you so' speech, then I'm already crying with laughter. 250 profit is the downside of the trade.

What's the downside on your short, oh great Sensei?

nordcaperen - 24 Jun 2010 13:57 - 327 of 1170

250, Wow, what a player you are - Probably what it cost you in charges when you lost a packet on your Jarvis shares, seem to be a bit of a chancer to me - Did you buy them on sentiment as well !!

Gausie - 24 Jun 2010 14:03 - 328 of 1170

>>Nordcaperon

I seem to remember doing alright on Jarvis over the years - are you referring to any particular trade? It would be awfully flattering to see you're researching me. At least it would be if you mattered.

250 profit as downside is small beer to you? Wow. You must have such a massively huge ePenis! I am truly in awe at its size.

Gausie - 24 Jun 2010 14:41 - 329 of 1170

Coming off fast after US opening, and now back just above support.

Dilemma time - hold or add? Suspect hold is the better option for the time being. Review in an hour.

Gausie - 24 Jun 2010 15:04 - 330 of 1170

Added 331.75

Chris Carson - 24 Jun 2010 15:19 - 331 of 1170

Nordcaperon - How about you sharing (no pun intended) your trades with us all. Easy to criticize other people, at least Gausie has the balls to share his however misguided you may think they are.

Gausie - 24 Jun 2010 15:22 - 332 of 1170

Chris - I think he's too busy supervising his butler painting his yacht. Then he's going to watch his chauffeur wash his ferrari, then he's back on to his private jet to re-measure his e-penis. He's joining Tabby with a couple of pineapples in Tabby's west wing tonight. Aint the internet great?
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