Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

sorry to be pedantic, but if it's legal then it isn't a fiddle - a straight statement of fact!

i don't disagree with the sentiment, but if the powers that be want to stop that loophole, then perhaps they can, but in so doing, they may open another or there may be an unforeseen and unpleasant result ..... that's why it's so difficult to play around with (current) tax laws; it's never ever straightforward

Cynic,

You are becoming more and more obtuse.

Whether the previous government made mistakes, or not, is irrelevant,

This conning tory party is in government now and should be taking responsibilities for the problems it inherited and also the problems it has and is creating.

Ducking and weaving and pocketing its salaries and expenses and touting trips abroad for their retirement funds is inappropriate and they should be thinking about long term solutions, not simply cutting and slashing for political ideology.

It seems to me, many tory party camp followers are supporting their policies, because it benefits their own personal pockets, Saying "its always been like that" often means " I like it like it is and bugger the rest", which from where I am standing appears to be your position.

There was talk, from this government, of not leaving debts to subsequent generations but it appears to think a pauper's grave with increasing long term indebtedness for the UK is OK.

Resorting to running to the money lenders abroad does not resolve our problems and is a get out. (Whether, the coalition, Cameron, Osborne of Miliband and Balls agree or not. IMO)


No money for Nuclear power stations. How much money was sloshing around the market for Royal Mail went the tories gave it to the punters.


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i'll continue the above if you like by taking you down a current international favourite - withholding tax

If this or previous government which to stop the escape of "cash" to various off shore havens they could if they applied themselves to doing so.

Using a system because it is legal does not make it right and the governments are betraying the UK by not attempting to correct the problem.

WELL Ill go to the foot of out stairs my hero Dennis is on twitter, unbelievable not a spoof either................

Denis Skinner‏@BolsoverBeast19 Oct
Will RBS become the next Tory "give-away"?
British public saved the bank at an average share price of 502.26p, what will Tories sell at?

why are mistakes by a previous regime irrelevant?
it's a reasonable argument that some should be on the way to being sorted - like the economy perhaps? - but most are not that easy, which is why very few acts imposed by one regime are removed or even modified by the next

nuclear power stations
if i knew even half the detail - and none of us do - then i might agree with you
but of course you are slagging from ignorance anyway

however, as i'm quite sure you won't bother to vote - comme d'habitude (that'll help when you emigrate to france) - you really have no right to do other than accept the status quo and get on with your life

fred - you really are a pompous twit at times ..... the taxman is not remotely interested in moral rectitude so the target has no obligation to take that high ground and "gift" unnecessarily

Denis Skinner‏@BolsoverBeast12 Oct
7 Liberal Democrat MPs have already announced they're standing down at the next election. The others will find they're going on May 7th 2015

i have a sneaking feeling i might well vote for dennis skinner of he was my MP ..... all parliaments need his ilk, whatever their colour

cynic- 21 Oct 2013 16:48 - 31489 of 31491

why are mistakes by a previous regime irrelevant?
it's a reasonable argument that some should be on the way to being sorted - like the economy perhaps? - but most are not that easy, which is why very few acts imposed by one regime are removed or even modified by the next......ends

Because the present regime lie through their teeth and dont mention it was the Bankers who not only brought recession to this country but to the whole world economy.

so the previous incumbents had wings and halos and always but always told the absolute truth????
the previous incumbents were totally blameless when it came to the bankers and the financial debacle and uk's economic shambles????

get real young sticky, or i'll have you sent down the canal - to the bottom with cement boots :-))

"i have a sneaking feeling i might well vote for dennis skinner of he was my MP", I've heard it all now... Alf might vote labour -):

sometimes, i think (or hope) i would vote for the person rather than the party represented ..... most are even greyer than john major

A quote I use to hear, a man without principles is not a man.

Somebody added he is probably a poor accountant.

I will now go back into hiding.

Cyners, bet you wouldnt say no.....Luciana Berger‏@lucianaberger3m
asked Ed Davey if the reference price comes in below the strike price how will he ensure difference goes back to consumers? No proper answer

i am neither :-))
and even fred is happy to sell his principles if the price is right - naughty boy bought RMG and then rationalises about his reasoning

who she?

Bloody hell, you dont know Luciana, fittest female MP in parliament and labour.

GF.

The individuals who overborrowed, also have responsibility for their own actions ie. not being able to service their debts.


But lessons are to be learnt from mistakes, but this government is repeating them and digging deeper.

sticky - i see she's one of "my lot" and was educated at my dad's school .... a couple of good reasons to vote for her then :-)