Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

ever one should be made to report to the job centre ever day
and clock on with their card and have a camera to video them
then it would only take one person to view the clock on

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2192694/Nigerian-woman-needing-Caesarean-immediately-flies-Britain-operation--costing-UK-taxpayers-10-000.htm
she should never been allowed to fly the airline should be sued for the cash
that would stop it

our MPs are talk only no action

vote UKIP

thanks hilary
it happens that i always have both, but desist from falling ill abroad - and only very very rarely at home

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MrT - surely what you suggest should only apply if the would-be claimant refuses work .... i still like the idea of obligatory community work after a certain time

cynic no all to report unless they can not walk or have a note from two doctors
make them get out of bed and walk to the centre if they have no cash they have all day so say 4 miles a one hour walk will do them good
no excuse not to turn up if they do not clock on no pay for that day
SIMPLE

sorry old bean, but that's almost counter-productive
what's wrong with the concept of obligatory community work to qualify for benefits after a certain period

btw, i bet you don't walk at 4 mph!
i'ld guess that a good and fairly brisk pace is no more than 3 mph

cynic I sure do old bean .

Singer Noel Harrison has died at his home in Devon, aged 79.

cynic I are very fit .and can run a mile under 5 mins thanks

cynic my wife loves walking sorry she marches says just walking is a waste of time
she is fitter than mygoodself

CYNIC at least we agree on benefits should not just be given out for nothing
yes make them clean our paths look after the old clean our river banks
clear snow and all other useful things not sleep or hang round the streets
and in pubs and pubs all day

i've never timed my walking pace but see below .....

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) says that brisk walking is at a pace of three miles per hour or more (but not racewalking) or roughly 20 minutes per mile. That equates to about five kilometers per hour or 12 minutes per kilometer.
However, fitter people still will not be in a moderately intense exercise zone at that pace. A pace of 15 minutes per mile, or four miles per hour, is more likely to put fitter people into a moderately intense exercise zone. That equates to 9 minutes, 15 seconds per kilometer or 6.5 kilometers per hour.


if your wife consistently walks faster than 4 mph, perhaps she's trying to escape!

Tanker your ideas on benefit claimants would be counter productive.

What do you think the guy who runs a care service for the elderly is going to think if he sees government lackies doing his jobs for nothing.? Hes obviously going to blow his top. Thats just one example.

I do agree that unemployed should take up a job after their 6 months contributed benefit is finished but it should be a job on the minimum pay and with proper training and not one of these Tory mickey Mouse jobs.

Dont forget most unemployed people feel terrible that they are out of work, just a small % give them a bad name and the newspapers pick up on this as it sells newspapers.

Small problem, there are no jobs!

sorry sticky, but your argument is badly flawed, so very succinctly ......

#1 the obligatory community work is not for free .... it's a quid pro quo for benefits

#2 where are you going to find these "proper" jobs?
#3 who and how will you train the under-educated = effectively illiterate and innumerate?
#4 define a mickey mouse job? ..... any paid job, even if only for a fairly short time, is better than none

SIPP
does anyone know if CFDs are an allowable SIPP vehicle?

GF maxk. wrong no one cleans our paths no one cleans them .
our country side needs help our waterways need keeping clean
old people need help to do their gardens and house work .
and many more jobs not done
as for carers they do not have enough time to do their jobs .
and perhaps save the council money so the carers can stay a bit longer to help the old

Cyners.....1.the obligatory community work is not for free .... it's a quid pro quo for benefits...........ends

which is less than the minimum wage and will be subsidising some employer somewhere and at the same time annoying an employer somewhere else.

2 .where are you going to find these "proper" jobs?........ends

through economic growth, a cap on immigration for 4 years, and a pensinoer supplement for pensiones giving their jobs up.

3. who and how will you train the under-educated = effectively illiterate and innumerate?....................ends

non skilled jobs dont usually require a high level of education, literacy etc.

4. define a mickey mouse job? ..... any paid job, even if only for a fairly short time, is better than none..........ends

Any job/course created by the Tory party reckoning an apprenticeship is just a 6 month stint.

a carer only spends 15 mins on avge at per house not good enough
what can they do in 15 mins not a lot hello are you ok goodbye
its not good enough .

no one who as been unemployed for over 3 months should be allowed to collect benefits for nothing they must be made to clock on daily and do work of some kind
for at least 7 hours aday

TANKER - 22 Oct 2013 11:38 - 31589 of 31590

GF maxk. wrong no one cleans our paths no one cleans them .
our country side needs help our waterways need keeping clean
old people need help to do their gardens and house work .
and many more jobs not done
as for carers they do not have enough time to do their jobs .
and perhaps save the council money so the carers can stay a bit longer to help the old ................................ends

all these jobs you list are covered either by councils or british waterways. Do you want them to sack their employees and therfore swell the unemployed ranks?????