Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Tanker your ideas on benefit claimants would be counter productive.

What do you think the guy who runs a care service for the elderly is going to think if he sees government lackies doing his jobs for nothing.? Hes obviously going to blow his top. Thats just one example.

I do agree that unemployed should take up a job after their 6 months contributed benefit is finished but it should be a job on the minimum pay and with proper training and not one of these Tory mickey Mouse jobs.

Dont forget most unemployed people feel terrible that they are out of work, just a small % give them a bad name and the newspapers pick up on this as it sells newspapers.

Small problem, there are no jobs!

sorry sticky, but your argument is badly flawed, so very succinctly ......

#1 the obligatory community work is not for free .... it's a quid pro quo for benefits

#2 where are you going to find these "proper" jobs?
#3 who and how will you train the under-educated = effectively illiterate and innumerate?
#4 define a mickey mouse job? ..... any paid job, even if only for a fairly short time, is better than none

SIPP
does anyone know if CFDs are an allowable SIPP vehicle?

GF maxk. wrong no one cleans our paths no one cleans them .
our country side needs help our waterways need keeping clean
old people need help to do their gardens and house work .
and many more jobs not done
as for carers they do not have enough time to do their jobs .
and perhaps save the council money so the carers can stay a bit longer to help the old

Cyners.....1.the obligatory community work is not for free .... it's a quid pro quo for benefits...........ends

which is less than the minimum wage and will be subsidising some employer somewhere and at the same time annoying an employer somewhere else.

2 .where are you going to find these "proper" jobs?........ends

through economic growth, a cap on immigration for 4 years, and a pensinoer supplement for pensiones giving their jobs up.

3. who and how will you train the under-educated = effectively illiterate and innumerate?....................ends

non skilled jobs dont usually require a high level of education, literacy etc.

4. define a mickey mouse job? ..... any paid job, even if only for a fairly short time, is better than none..........ends

Any job/course created by the Tory party reckoning an apprenticeship is just a 6 month stint.

a carer only spends 15 mins on avge at per house not good enough
what can they do in 15 mins not a lot hello are you ok goodbye
its not good enough .

no one who as been unemployed for over 3 months should be allowed to collect benefits for nothing they must be made to clock on daily and do work of some kind
for at least 7 hours aday

TANKER - 22 Oct 2013 11:38 - 31589 of 31590

GF maxk. wrong no one cleans our paths no one cleans them .
our country side needs help our waterways need keeping clean
old people need help to do their gardens and house work .
and many more jobs not done
as for carers they do not have enough time to do their jobs .
and perhaps save the council money so the carers can stay a bit longer to help the old ................................ends

all these jobs you list are covered either by councils or british waterways. Do you want them to sack their employees and therfore swell the unemployed ranks?????

TANKER - 22 Oct 2013 11:43 - 31591 of 31592

no one who as been unemployed for over 3 months should be allowed to collect benefits for nothing..................................

For nothing what do you mean nothing????????????????

A lot will have paid tax and National Insurance and therefore should expect a saftey net in times of unemployment.

Its the people who havent contributed to NI and Tax who should get nowt.

#1+3 so would you obligate your benefits-seeker to take any unskilled labour job that is posted at the job centre?

#2 cap immigration how? .,... is this not rather different from what you suggested the other day - i.e. a complete block on all immigration for 4 years? ...... economic growth is now fortunately under way, but it will take a good while for it to really take a grip and filter through

#4 why do you need to be party political or did the last regime have no solution or ideas of any kind? ...... further, 6 months work experience of some kind is a damn sight better than putting "enjoying the benefit system" on your cv

gf so why are all the paths and snow never cleaned and cleaned

why are carers only allowed around 15 mins on any visit
most carers get less in pay than those on benefits fact
so train those on benefits to take up carers jobs so they can spend at least 40mins on a visit

any one who wants to work would sign up to doing caring

TANKER..........they have no grit.

Cyners..... weve discused all this before its just repetitive and your in one of your silly moods.

O/Topic cyners BAB turned positive.

Anyone care to hazard a guess as to what they are going to do with a couple of hundred thousand nu benefit seekers come the new year?

thanks sticky one ..... saw BAB on your other thread ..... i'm prob already holding too many stocks, and slightly strangely BAB hasn't moved at all

MK - if that's (y)our romanian and bulgarian brethren, they'll no doubt be given nice new houses, fully equipped and with a pre-stocked fridge and freezer :-)