germany 2006 begins in a few weeks. time to get a thread going for anyone's thoughts and opinions.

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ah ......the beautiful game!! joga bonita!!

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germany have yet to beat italy in a competitive game. past scores are either draws, or italy winning by 1 goal. goes without saying i want the later. if it goes to penalties i wont even bother to watch. germans + penalties = victory.
a couple of coincidences before tonight's match. last time italy won the world cup it was against a backdrop of scandal in italian football. also, in that year there were four european teams left in the semi finals. ooer!!!

i'm absolutely stunned that people on here actually want a foreign coach. maclaren may not be everyone's favourite but, he is the best english coach in the game today. for me he just shades it from big sam as maclaren has won a trophy and has a few years european experience.

I have to cut in here having read John's comment sorry. He didn't back heal him in the knackers. It makes me livid to hear people saying this. He stood up during a sandwich, didn't fall to the ground like the portuguese did and tried to play the ball after having fairly won it - which might I add is an honourable way to play. Unfortunately as he had beaten them both (being fouled in the process) one of them (on the floor- suprisingly!) got his legs tangled and as a consequence Rooney caught him in the knackers. Serves him bloody right, if he hadn't been playing for a foul in the first place he wouldn't have put himself in that predicament. Rooney got red carded for 'violent conduct' i.e pushing scum bag Ronaldo. Drives me mad people suggesting otherwise. It's a tragedy of circumstance but I am convinced that had Rooney fallen to the ground he would have doubtless won a free kick, because he played the way the game should be played we've effectively been eliminated. Fourth TV ref is definitely needed, I really can't be bothered with the game as it is at the moment, it's a joke.

Some good posts here, guys. Agree with most of the Rooney stuff. He did very little albeit technically he was at fault, yes, and should've been extra specially squeaky clean with an Argentine ref. I have been called "narrow minded!" by mates when I was totally opposed to Swedish-Sven being put in charge in the first place. But can you imagine the Germans or Brazilians with a foreign coach? Doubt this will ever happen in our lifetime! It is only fair that Mc.Claren gets his chance, for all the right reasons. But, if things go pear-shaped early on, then I think there will be huge public outcry for Big Sam. We shall see anyway...

Totally neutral tonight - but hope Les Frogs win tomorrow!

chiva, ref has confirmed today that he red carded rooney for the stamping, i.e. violent conduct. he also confirmed ronaldo played no part in rooney's sending off and that sven said rooney deserved to go off after the game. i think a few of you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think the english players would have behaved differently if ronaldo, (or any other portugese player ), had done the stamping. rooney lost possession and then chased the ball down, committing fouls then being fouled in the process of trying to win it back. full credit to rooney for his tenacity and determination. i certainly hope he doesn't get the beckham treatment for his moment of madness and i think the media are helping avoid this by placing the focus on ronaldo. ]
people are saying scolari would be a great coach for england, far better than sven , yet he has only beaten sven once, and that was because of a moment of genius rather than tactical superiority. the two remaining games went to penalties and it could also be argued that england were the better team in both matches. so how would scolari be a better coach than sven? just a thought.......

I agree, Bos. Good post, mate

he couldnt be any worse Bos, but Hiddink would have been a huge improvement

My posts from Traders room:

It had been proven for at least 3 yrs that gerrard and lampard couldnt play together but still we persisted. Beckham has been past it for a long while yet started every game against a youngster (lennon) who had pace and the ability to make things happen. We picked the supposed best players not the best team which resulted in a midfield of very similar players with no pace and no one to make the runs into the box (remember like scholes used to). We played Rooney up front alone but didnt change anything when Portugla kept dropping deeper and deeper leaving him more and more isolated. When Rooney got sent off we took off our only creative midfielder to enable Lampard and Gerrard to cancel each other out and leave the left hand side exposed. We took more fit goalkeepers than strikers to the world cup. We took 6 central midfielders yet only 4 strikers (2 cripples, a beanpole and a yts lad). We took off an attacking midfielder for a defender to take a penalty.

At the end of the day we got knocked out by a poor side on penalties in the qtr finals, the sad thing is of the sides left in the world cup with the right structure and organisation we could beat any of them - with the approach we used we struggled to beat an egg!

At no stage did the manager know his best side - he tried 3 different players in the holding role from the last friendly through the group games - a position he never deemed viable to consider prior top that

As you guess my criticism is squarely pointed at an incompetent manager and also at some very big egos within the side. The preparation, use of friendlies etc was hit and miss and poorly planned, we didnt practise different situations for different scenarios we went in blindly with the assumption that we had the best midfield in the world (which was conclusively proved as bollox) and ultimately we relied on an unfit temperamental 20 yr old (who is heavily overrated) as the man to win thw world cup for us



McLaren will be same old im afraid, no personality and no inspiration. Never handled the big egos at club level and cant see him being brave enough to make the needed changes.

Look at his record with Boro, hardly inspiring, often struggled to get the best out of the players hes had. At highbury this yr, 4-0 at half time he didnt change anything just sat there watching his side getting humiliated until it ended 7-0 and then explained it as one of those days. In Europe they played poorly and got lucky coming from behind a few times.

Personally hope he doesnt last a yr in the job

To think we turned down Hiddink for the job - look at his record with Korea and Australia, has won the champs league yet the FA wanted to interview him 4 times to see if he was suitable!!! Instead weve got a yes man who will do as the eejits in charge of the FA tell him to


good luck to your lot later

Hear, hear, Fundy - spot on, amigo!

The first thing a referee does for violent conduct.... without hesitation is take the red card out.....This guy did not or attempt to until Rooney pushed Ronaldo... he was just going to give a free kick...Watch the video he is just standing there with his arm outstreched, not going for a red card as violent conduct would suggest.

fundie, my personal opinion is that sven should have been sacked the moment he named his squad. his brief when he took over was to prepare a side for this tournament. the previous two tournaments were part of the preparation. this was supposed to be the coming of age of beckham, scholes, neville, butt, owen, gerrard, lampard, ferdinand, etc. .yet when he announced his squad he gave three spots to players with just one cap between them. that's failure in my eyes. as you say in your post, the friendlies were indeed worthless. sven had failed to prepare.

Chiva20, think you only see what you want to see, i agree with ref violent conduct

Watching Italy v Germany and first half the referee seems to be the star of the show.....

I fancy Italy need an early goal second half if they are to make their better quality count.... ;-)

Eccellente!

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what a game!!!!!!!!!!!! buzzin off me tits.

Bos are you italian ?

I think he's portuguese! ;o)

Only playing - I clearly stand alone supporting Rooney here - still firmly believe we are a stronger side (on paper) than any other squad this year. Will be gutted for some time to come!

Easily stronger than any other team on PAPER, but our managers have and will hold us back from reaching our potential any time soon.
Hoping France beat Italy in the Final, it would be a credit to Zidane.

i fear it is zidane's last game tonight, one way or another. hoping france will win as euro 2000 stills bothers me when the french robbed italy of victory in the 93rd minute after being played off the park. revenge, and all that .........!
chiva, gd potts, i don't know how you both can say that. england have a very good 1st eleven. outside of that 11/12 the quality drops significantly.

and so the final is decided.

france



will play

italy