Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Wife got 5 years

Cynic.

If there is a recognisable problem it is reasonable to address it, even if doing may provoke other problems or difficulties to be resolved.

Evolution is generally beneficial; revolution in the short term often seems to provoke bigger problems than it was meant to solve, but even then in the longer time, beneficial changes can occur, even if the price sometimes seems unreasonable.

As far as reform of taxation is concerned, I am not suggesting it is easy, but that doesn't mean it should not be attempted.

The value of the UK is within its borders, not without. The “value” a country is a product of all those who are within its borders. When it is necessary, “paying for and” utilising skills, knowledge, work force from outside those borders, is sensible.

As far as inward investment is concerned, it could be seen as a bloodless, but skilful form of looting of the country in which the “investment” is made, with often a small group “pirating” good profits for themselves.

Not the same as trading produce between countries.

For someone who doesn't vote you take up a lot of your time telling people on here what the goverment is doing wrong , but can't be bothered to help to get them out of office.

Hello... Mr miserable's back.

but aldo, you miss the point .... the truly wonderful thing about democracy is the freedom NOT to vote; few realise this, especially those who lack the freedom to vote in the first place

Fred is not always miserable!

Cheer up: there is a nightmare approaching for Europhiles


By Sean Thomas
Politics Last updated: October 23rd, 2013


The future's looking bright for Brussels


http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100242737/cheer-up-there-is-a-nightmare-approaching-for-europhiles/



Most people know that Germans make sturdy cars, speedy trains, fine machine tools, and foaming beer served by unnervingly buxom women in dirndl. What is less well known is that Germany produces rather excellent English-language journalism.

Der Speigel’s English edition is a case in point. Precise, lucid and well-informed, it is always highly readable. It also provides a precious insight into the politics and opinions of Europe’s most important nation. That is to say: at a time when it pays to keep an eye on Berlin, it behoves us to read the best German journalists.

Consider this new article in Der Spiegel, on Chancellor Merkel’s European vision. The article rightly begins with this bold but crucial assertion: “At the beginning of her third term, Merkel has more power in Germany and Europe than any chancellor before her… In the midst of the European crisis, Germany has become the undisputed dominant power in Europe.”

So what will Merkel do with this power? How will she seek to change Europe? Again, Der Spiegel puts it plainly: “officials at the Chancellery are forging plans for Europe that are practically visionary for someone like Merkel. If she prevails, they will fundamentally change the European Union. The goal is to achieve extensive, communal control of national budgets, of public borrowing in the 28 EU capitals and of national plans to boost competitiveness and implement social reforms.”

The vital phrase to take away here is “fundamental reforms”. Merkel wants to refashion the EU from the ground up, so there will never be another eurogeddon. And this kind of fundamental reform means one thing: treaty change. At a time of maximum public mistrust of Brussels – in an era when the fragile house of cards that is EU “democracy” has never looked wobblier – Angela Merkel is going to whack the card table with her Hugo Boss handbag.

What does this mean for Britain? Intriguingly, and perhaps happily, it opens up a route to the nightmare scenario for UK Europhiles.

Consider this futurity. Let’s say Ed Miliband wins the election in 2015, either with a majority or in coalition with the Lib Dems (and polls say this is highly likely). Miliband subsequently enters Number 10, and implements his detailed plans for the Ruination of Britain. Then, around about 2017, Frau Merkel, who decides the menu for everyone, serves up her constitutional kartoffelsalat to the other 27 EU members: significant and fundamental treaty change.

This, of course, triggers a referendum in the UK, thanks to the Conservatives’ “referendum lock” (which Miliband says he will not repeal). The referendum therefore becomes, by default, an in/out referendum: as a British rejection of the new EU will be a rejection of the EU itself.

Now consider the circumstances under which Miliband will try to win this plebiscite (i.e. get an “in” vote). It will happen around 2018. He will be in mid-term, and probably historically unpopular. The 40 per cent of Brits who are hardcore eurosceptics will consequently unite with everyone else who wants to give Miliband a kicking.

The result is that the referendum is lost by a distance. Britain rejects the EU. And Ed Miliband becomes known as the man who took the UK out of Europe. As Der Spiegel’s English edition might put it:

heh.

GF . no send home all immigrants stop employing migrants and give jobs to uk people first .

that is why UKIP are on the march we are fade up with the EU and all the scum coming here .

I AM PROUD TO SAY I WANT CHANGE AND WANT OUT OF THE EU
AND WOULD SOONER BE POORER THAN HAVE ALL THESE SCUM COMING
TO THE UK

next year will see over 3 m more coming releasing prisoners if they leave the country and this gov of LIARS doing and saying fcuk all we have had enough

ed made CAMERON LOOK A COMPLETE MUPPET YESTERDAY AND SHOWN HIM FOR WHAT HE IS A BLOODY LIAR
well done ED

in the club and 3 pubs last night and all agreed we must get this gov out and we are
all life long conservatives .

Sound like youve got a hangover TANKER.

This what you get with socialism - higher taxes!


Oct 24 () - PARIS (Reuters) - Four fifths of French voters believe President Francois Hollande will not win the next presidential election in 2017, a poll showed on Thursday, a fresh blow to the leader of the euro zone's second-biggest economy.

Raging unemployment, anger with tax hikes and rows within his government and party have pushed the Socialist president's popularity to its lowest since he was elected in May last year.

In a further blow, 76 percent of those surveyed in the Harris Interactive poll for Le Figaro daily and LCP television said they did not see Hollande as someone who keeps his promises and 68 percent did not consider him competent.

In contrast, 54 percent of those surveyed on October 21-22 said they believed hardline Interior Minister Manuel Valls would beat a right-wing candidate in the 2017 presidential election. Only 16 percent said Hollande could achieve that.

In France, the outgoing president traditionally represents his party in the next election and in past decades most, with the exception of former conservative president Nicolas Sarkozy, won a second mandate.

Hollande saw his popularity sink lower after he was widely criticised on Sunday for offering to allow a deported immigrant teenager to return to France but without her family.

Valls has toughened his rhetoric against illegal migration and makeshift Roma camps as the far-right National Front party surged in popularity ahead of municipal and European elections next year.

GF love my beer .and never had a headache in my life
never eat shit from take aways never use taxes .
love good food cooked by clean good living people
not restaurants run by immigrants that do not know what
clean means dirty kitchens sleeping on the floors
which can and does give food poison .

if you want to be fit and healthy like me at 66 do what I do

fit as a fiddle .never take any tablets and as refused the flu jab do not need it my body is good .

just look at people who use these filthy places and it gives you the answers

hat wish I was paying 1m in taxes would be happy

off to Portugal for a couple of weeks a bit of sun

TANKER you said.........

TANKER - 24 Oct 2013 08:30 - 31700 of 31704
in the club and 3 pubs last night ..............................

in effect 4 drinking outlets, cant be doing an old codgers heart like you any good.

Can just sneak upon you. THINK ABOUT IT.

Hays, nothing wrong with higher taxes if its for a sound economic policy like the one I drafted for unemployed youngsters last week.

In the end more in work more paying tax, a higher tax take and government having to borrow less.

Long run. tax comes down.

Higher taxes arent always a bad thing in fact Id argue in most cases if targeted correctly a good thing for the economy and most individuals in the long run.

That's the socialist mantra, "nothing wrong with higher taxes if its for a sound economic policy".

Yes, there is something wrong with higher taxes, no matter what it is for. Build up business and that will generate the money for projects. If the money is not there then you can't have various things. It is the teams OK tax and spend followed by borrow and spend. It only leads to doom and disaster.

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grangemouth workers going to join wiganers and eat humble pie
stupid scots