Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

The story has been around on the internet since 2010 with another one on Switzerland and in the UK. There is a strong likelihood that the stories are all hoaxes. I have discussed this with a Muslim friend previously. He thinks that removing the contaminated soil and having it declared fit for use by a Muslim cleric would be sufficient.

ohhhhhhh trust you to do a spoiler. I reckon its right anyway alders.

Hays going to watch Spurs (sh-te) this weekend???

UNITED UNITED UNITED UNITED

Cynic,

The problems with UK coal is that the majority of pits closed because of being worked out.

In general the seams left due to geological conditions unprofitable to geological conditions such as narrow seams and many areas faulting. Mechanising them had various difficulties and costs were high.

To restart coal mining I would think impractical due to;

1) absence of skill labour due the migration of labour since Maggie's rapid closing of pits in 80s and previous governments since the 60s. (You could accept skilled immigrants from various countries.)

2) lack of support industries and destruction of railway systems for transportation.

3) lack of training facillities

4) who in their right mind would wish to work underground unless the pay packets are high.

5) overseas production is more efficient and cheaper due to cheaper labour and better geological conditions for mechanisation.

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But I think I read somewhere recently there were thoughts of processing remaining coal deposits by a form of "fracking".

But the cost of energy in and out seemed questionable.

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I hear there are huge deposits under Kensington and Hyde Parks.

Would see them as sensible places to try out pilot schemes.

Might send the price of property down.

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Unfortunately, I think Nuclear for energy supplies still seems one of the best routes to go down, if sensible and safe methods for disposal of by-products can be dreamt up.

But think it should be in-house funding or via the EU in some form.

The next WW is economic and I don't fancy beholding some masters.

Is Cameroon looking for a way out of his vanity project?



HS2 might not go ahead if Labour withdraws support, David Cameron suggests

David Cameron suggests the high speed rail link between London and the north of England might not go ahead if Labour withdraws support





Christopher Hope

By Christopher Hope, and Bruno Waterfield

11:11PM BST 25 Oct 2013


The high speed rail link between London and the north of England might not go ahead if Labour withdraws support, David Cameron has suggested.


The Prime Minister said that if Labour drops its backing for the £50billion scheme the party would be “kicking the sand in the face” of communities across middle England who need it.


Mr Cameron also said he was willing to stage an 11th hour lobbying campaign to persuade Tory rebels to support the scheme ahead of a key Commons vote, expected next week.


Mr Cameron made the remarks after Ed Balls, the shadow Chancellor, signalled that Labour might withdraw support if the costs on the project continued to spiral.


Speaking at a press conference to wrap up the European Council meeting, Mr Cameron suggested the scheme might not “proceed” without all-party support.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/10406039/HS2-might-not-go-ahead-if-Labour-withdraws-support-David-Cameron-suggests.html

WOW

He grew a chin!

Another impending con party cock up.


Under the high command of Captain Mainwairing Cameron the PR is becoming more noticeable and Panic and Disorder rules.


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"Work and pensions minister Mike Penning said reassessing people was "taking longer than expected", but introducing the scheme "gradually" was beneficial.

Labour's Rachel Reeves said it showed there was "chaos" in the department.

Claimants will remain on Disability Living Allowance (DLA) for the time being except those in Wales, the East and West Midlands and East Anglia, who will transfer to Personal Independence Payment (PIP) from Monday if their condition changes."

HS2 is not a Conservative policy

Former Business Secretary Lord Mandelson has said Labour originally approved the High Speed Two rail project to "upstage" the Conservatives.

He told the House of Lords his party "did not feel like being trumped" over creating a fast north-south link by the Tories, then in opposition.

Lord Mandelson said he now thought there was "flimsy evidence" to back the multi-billion-pound project.

But the government insists it will boost the UK economy.

HS2 is intended to allow trains to run at 250mph (400km/h) from London to Birmingham from 2026, with branches to Manchester and Leeds via Sheffield planned for 2033.

The estimated cost of the plan has risen in the past few months from £34.2bn to £42.6bn - plus £7.5bn for rolling stock.

Gordon Brown's government debated the issue before deciding in favour.


Lord Mandelson said: "Frankly, there was too much of the argument that if everyone else has got a high-speed train we should have one too... We didn't feel like being trumped by the then opposition's support for the high-speed train. We wanted, if anything, to upstage them."

Lord Mandelson was a keen supporter of HS2 when he was in government, but earlier this year suggested the project should be scrapped.

I am having problems.

But I don't expect comments. 8-)

Second go.


Another impending con party cock up.


Under the high command of Captain Mainwairing Cameron the PR is becoming more noticeable and Panic and Disorder rules.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24680366


"Work and pensions minister Mike Penning said reassessing people was "taking longer than expected", but introducing the scheme "gradually" was beneficial.

Labour's Rachel Reeves said it showed there was "chaos" in the department.

Claimants will remain on Disability Living Allowance (DLA) for the time being except those in Wales, the East and West Midlands and East Anglia, who will transfer to Personal Independence Payment (PIP) from Monday if their condition changes."

Not sure what happened with previous posting.


Hays.

Cameron and Osborne have been trumpeting HS2 ,as if they conceived themselves, now they are trying to bail out.

They are becoming a comedy show.


I would like to have a look at the print out Cameron's mobile phone calls over the last few months.

Perhaps, the Americans will oblige.

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FRED - 31818 - just a small aside; if the seams and mines were worked out and unprofitable etc etc, why on earth would you keep them open? ..... there is little if any doubt scargill (and others) had an agenda that was nothing whatsoever to do with their union members, but more to do with destroying the whole fabric of the country .... malheureusement pour lui, he ran into a pm who, for all her later faults, proved to be a lot tougher than him and indeed, tougher than any i remember .... the country should still be extremely grateful for that, whatever their political hue

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with regard to re-opening mothballed coal-fired power stations, i am far from convinced, pretty much regardless of the provenance of the coal itself

scrubbing out the sulphur - it is that that causes the pollution from smog to acid rain and similar - is very expensive, and overall, i'm not sure quite how pure that then makes the unavoidable emissions

as already stated, i'm in favour of nuclear, but i fully accept there is a good argument against it and for wind or solar or even wave power generation as the alternative

HS2
i have yet to read or even hear a well-reasoned argument in favour that has not been totally slanted by the lobbyists in favour

£80bn sounds an awful lot of splosh when the TRUE benefits are very undefined ..... a high speed rail network was of great benefit in bankrupting spain, and that's a massive country with similar open and sparsely populated areas .... that said, the madrid/barcelona link has halved the travel time from 6 to 3 hours, so clearly there is benefit where there are exceptionally large distances that need to be traversed .... i don't think london to b'ham or even glasgow quite fall into that range! .... nor do i see HS2 removing a significant if any amount of lorry traffic from the roads

Cynic,

Scargill, was a disaster, what his intentions were or what they were said to be I find difficult to define.

I won't rerun arguments.

However, many of the pits after WW2 were workout and plant etc. was dilapidated.

Work conditions in many pits were appalling and and were subsidised and kept open rather than having mass unemployment in "a land for heroes".

There was gradual closer which allowed for "redeployment" and development of other industries to take up the ex-miners and others in heavy industries.
(similar happened in the 30s)

Was there madness in the unions and their expectancies?

Yes, but there was also stupidity with management and planning "necessary" changes.

For me, the maggie thatcher period stinks, mainly as it represents foe me, the same disregard and abusive approach to the needs of the Class 4 and 5 as many in the present government appear to have. (I use old social classification system).

It wasn't the closure of pits, but the rate of that closure and the lack of thought out replacement and planning for those out of "work". I mean social support and other industrial employment. Human scrap heaps were created.

There was pig headiness on some of the union leadership, but also pig headiness by the tory leadership at the time.

Scargill was a problem but introduction of mediators may and slowing down of closures may have prevented the strikes. (It occurred in some areas.)

To be paying unemployment benefit to somebody when the could be doing something productive and useful, even if subsidised for a period while changes are made seems stupid to me.

Changes always occur, hopefully the majority of changes are beneficial, but her era for me was a callous period.

I think Maggie will be remembered as ideologue who was responsible for the destruction of, rather than upgrading and modifying the industrial economy of the UK. She put the worship of money for its own sake to the front of more individuals' minds and in consequence the fragmentation of society.

Scargill, will go down as another foolish ideologue who thought he had a better hand than he did and was proved wrong.

As far I am concerned, you could bury both in the same grave.

They both deserve one another.

As far HS2 is concerned, I have rarely thought getting anywhere, other than a toilet, faster than appears necessary, is of questionable value.

But seeing people repeatedly travelling up a motorway in the morning to return down the other way in the evening has often struck me as inane.

But there is probably an argument for improving the railway structure and returning "heavy good" transportation to them, if at less cost financial, energy wise and environmentally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=vuEQixrBKCc&feature=youtu.be

£80 billion + for Call Me Dave's vanity, is a project too far.

If they really want spend money on trains, upgrade the existing lines at a fraction of the cost of new.

We are talking about saving minutes here, not hours.