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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

MaxK - 22 Jun 2016 15:01 - 3191 of 12628

Well, some managed to fix it for the Austrian vote a few weeks ago....145% of eligible voters in favour of the €U in some parts.


https://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2016/05/24/proof-of-election-fraud-in-austrian-elections-emerges/

Stan - 22 Jun 2016 15:02 - 3192 of 12628

Anyone got a link that works on EU live parliamentary coverage like our Westminster BBC coverage.. on-line though? http://www.europarltv.europa.eu/en/home.aspx

Claret Dragon - 22 Jun 2016 15:11 - 3193 of 12628

I fear a stitch up as well. Too many feedıng off the gravy traın to let ıt go.

Wıll usıng a pen go down as a spoılt paper!!!!

jimward9 - 22 Jun 2016 15:19 - 3194 of 12628

David Cameron said earlier that he would lobby for further changes to free movement rules in the light of European Court rulings if the UK votes to remain tomorrow, saying the process of EU reform will "continue on Friday".

But at a press conference today, EU Commission President Jean Claude Juncker said:

British voters have to know there will be no kind of any negotiation. We have concluded a deal with the prime minister. He got the maximum he could receive, and we gave the maximum we could give, so there will be no kind of renegotiation."

MaxK - 22 Jun 2016 15:22 - 3195 of 12628

2:21PM


Half Cameron’s Business Advisory Group fail to sign pro-EU letter




Almost half of David Cameron's most senior business advisers have not signed his pro-EU campaign's letter calling for an In vote in the referendum.

Nine of the 20 members of his Business Advisory Group, which provides the Prime Minister with "high level advice" on "critical business and economic issues facing the UK", have not added



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/eu-referendum-final-day-live/

cynic - 22 Jun 2016 15:25 - 3196 of 12628

juncker can splutter as much as he likes but, especially if it's a close vote (who knows), there are going to be some serious rumblings from other member states about all sorts of aspects of this gravy train

grannyboy - 22 Jun 2016 15:28 - 3197 of 12628

camerons already had the pleasure of TRYING to getting eu reform, and failed miserably...

And for the snake oil salesman to claim that it would continue on Friday shows you what a LYING cnut cameron is...

VOTE OUT....VOTE OUT....VOTE OUT....

Stan - 22 Jun 2016 15:30 - 3198 of 12628

P. 3192 anyone?

grannyboy - 22 Jun 2016 15:31 - 3199 of 12628

And yes you can use a pen and it won't be classed as a spoilt paper..

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36584905

grannyboy - 22 Jun 2016 15:42 - 3200 of 12628

stan try..

bbc.co.uk/democracylive/europe-25717214

aldwickk - 22 Jun 2016 15:42 - 3201 of 12628

Markus Kerber, head of the highly influential BDI, which represents German industry, has said that his organisation will press politicians in Europe hard to make sure businesses in the UK and the EU retain full, equal access to each other's markets after ‪#‎Brexit‬. Anything less would threaten jobs on both sides and serve no-one – least of all the Eurozone, which is in desperate trouble.

cynic - 22 Jun 2016 15:44 - 3202 of 12628

GB - as i wrote at the time, DC really didn't have any cards to play and i feel he has been very unfairly slated, though he was certainly painted into a corner

however, and as i have written several times, there are some serious unrest growing in member states, and indeed there have been some interesting comments in recent days obliquely alluding to same from several plutocrats

MaxK - 22 Jun 2016 15:51 - 3203 of 12628

Cameroon held all the cards, he simply didn't have the balls to play them.

Indeed he signalled as much by telling the €uropods that he would stay whatever happened...what a plank!

cynic - 22 Jun 2016 15:53 - 3204 of 12628

he only had the nuclear button and you can only play that once

VICTIM - 22 Jun 2016 15:53 - 3205 of 12628

The only winners from this EU set up will be organised crime , the Mafias already in there and more to come . All allowed to just walk into any country they want . And we have a chance to limit it but our Dave doesn't even want to entertain it .

2517GEORGE - 22 Jun 2016 15:57 - 3206 of 12628

DC ignored many in his cabinet who wanted him to demand more than what he went to the table with, and the card he should have played was the one he said he would, ie campaign to LEAVE. There is absolutely no doubt that he conned the British people.
2517

MaxK - 22 Jun 2016 15:59 - 3207 of 12628

Who said anything about nuc buttons?

Cameroon effectively capitulated even before the negotiations started by saying he was for staying regardless.

VICTIM - 22 Jun 2016 16:03 - 3208 of 12628

They let countries in to the EU when they haven't fulfilled the criteria , this will happen with Turkey no doubt .

grannyboy - 22 Jun 2016 16:03 - 3209 of 12628

I'm not sure cameron capitulated, he just dosn't want to leave, he's a europhile.

cynic - 22 Jun 2016 16:10 - 3210 of 12628

almost but not quite as many unknowns for the future if we stay rather than go
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