Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

I can think of plenty of 'work' that needs doing around the place.

In my home:

Cleaning, painting and decorating, gardening, construction jobs of varying sorts, car cleaning.

As my wife and I get older, we will have 'care needs' of varying sorts too. These are also more diverse than one would initially think. We might need a longer lead on our kettle or help with cooking a meal. We might need help with having a bath or a shave or washing our hair.

Out in the local area:

Potholes need filling, the verges need cutting and weeding, the verges need litter removal and collecting, they need top soil additions and re-seeding, trees need pruning and cutting back where they overhang the pathways, road signs need cleaning. To smarten the whole place up, the list is endless.

I'm sure you get the general idea and I don't fell I need go on any further with examples.

IMHO, I don't agree with people sitting around doing 'nothing', and particularly so if they are drawing benefits, when we have all of these tasks which require some 'work effort' to be put in around the place.

Any person could do most of the above tasks and no particular supervisory skills are required for them either.

And the pay for doing them?

From 'Nil' to 'the going rate of the statutory minimum wage per hour'.

And if those doing it don't like it, then tell them to personally try harder to get something better.

:)

George said........

2517GEORGE - 31 Oct 2013 11:54 - 31947 of 31959

''Always been known as the party of unemployment and liars''. If that is the case gf, why on earth have you financially supported them for so long.
2517

George I havent financialy supported them for so long. Im the secratary/president of my local conservative club and we or should I say members voted not to support them this year as most members wanted a more pro active approach to leaving the EEC.

Its also happend in previous years aswel. Its put to the vote.

Hays your employment model going forward is flawed.

The main factor you fail to mention is the redistribution of wealth from the very rich to the middle ground and poorer class. And it will happen.

This will most certainly happen in all industrial countries and developing countries as the years go by thus further opening up the global economy to greater demand from ALL.

It won't happen. If there was a trend or signs of redistribution of wealth then the rich would move their money to safer areas. My son's housemate at uni has a father who took his money out of UK and he lives 6 months in Barbados, 3 months in Portugal and some time in UK etc. His money is somewhere where else where he pays no tax. It is very difficult to redistribute wealth. All you can do is make the working class and middle class the same. Serious money won't stand still for you to get it.

what is very rich?
if you tax "them" 100%, what will be the one-off financial benefit and/or have you even considered the case of diminishing returns?

it should not be forgotten that many if not most times, the "very rich" have created a great many jobs and many will continue to do so - but not if you tax them to death ...... sorry to say, but that draconian route has been tried several times in the past, and it fails for very obvious reasons

face up to it, there isn't actually a simple or quick solution, and the only true long term solution is through continuing economic growth, the seat and source for which is ever evolving

It has been tried before. Labour introduced a top rate of 87% and for investment income it was 98%. The result was a mass exodus of businesses and people. A lot of that money never came back.

Good luck I do hope you find some who can pander to your “needs” at the rate you see fit.
I hope that they don’t overvalue themselves and expect better than they have.

But, perhaps, after making an effort and attempting to do some of the things you suggest “need” doing, you may reconsider the appropriate rate of remuneration and compare both with your previous, or present occupation.
But I do like the status quo and every man and woman on this thread, should know that the proper place and value in this world should be below mine, especially as mine is due inherited wealth.

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Hays,

I wonder if the UK would miss another mass exodus.

I suppose the more Russian and Chinese "Mafia" could take their places.

Good God! It is already happening.

Im talking about the extreme conditions Hays makes out in his original post.

Do you think for one minute their wouldnt be an Arab Style Spring around the world. Another Russia.

Never mind the tax rates think death rates.

There would be serious civil unrest. However, it would do little to solve the problems as there would be no jobs and little money.

We are going to have to stop importing stuff that can be made here.

There's no way around it.

it matters not if it is inherited wealth not least because very often that will create or support jobs too .... the politics of jealousy has a very nasty face too

this country has no taste for fred's widespread red revolution or other such nonsense as history (which is bunk of course) amply demonstrates

Sticky SNR, inherited wealth is not the politics of jealousy its the politics of fairness.

Why should someone who inherits wealth be given a foot up in education and health. Its the politicts of priveledge.

Their should be no place in a modern economy for this. It should be equals from birth like it was for me..........and plenty of other self made types.

Que jumping is a vile practice.

oh dear and goodness me
life is and never will be fair, though equality of opportunity is a different matter and something to strive for

however, whether you like it or not (and today you do not apparently) the acquisition of wealth is the yardstick by which 99% of the population measure success ..... remove the ability to pass that on to one's children, and either loopholes will be found (fact of life) or at the extreme end, people will be disincentivised to create wealth in the first place

reverting to equality of opportunity ...... you may give children an equal opportunity to learn, but thanks to bad parenting and lack of aspiration, a frightening number of children won't bother to make the effort ...... paraphrased in the extreme, but the point is made near enough

Like I said que jumping is a vile practice no matter how you dress it up sticky SNR

gf re your post 31960, I was under the impression that this is/was the first year your Conservative Club voted to withhold their contribution.
Are you going to resign your Conservative Club secretarial and presidential positions, seeing as you are now more aligned towards Labour?
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Sticky SNR said...........the acquisition of wealth is the yardstick by which 99% of the population measure success ...............ends.

Historically I would agree but more and more younger people now dont have that ignorant trait and KNOWLEDGE is the yardstick which by more and more of the population measure success and its growing.

Why is queue jumping wrong. The UK is unusual in that we seem to treat queuing as normal.

Luckily, we're immune...



http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/oct/31/greece-downgraded-to-emerging-market-status-by-sp-dow-jones


Eurozone unemployment flat, inflation falls


The eurozone's unemployment rate remained unchanged at a record high of 12.2% in September. The number of people out of work rose 60,000 to 19.45m.

The figures from Eurostat, the EU's statisitcs office, showed the highest rates were in Greece at 27.6% (in July, the latest available data), and Spain at 26.6% in Septemer.

The lowest rates were in Austria (4.9%), Germany (5.2%) and Luxembourg (5.9%). Youth unemployment in the eurozone was 24.1%.

In the wider European Union the jobless rate was stable at 11% in September, with the number of people out of work up 61,000 to 26.87m.

Separate data from Eurostat showed a fall in eurozone annual inflation to 0.7% in October from 1.1% in September. It was the lowest level since November 2009.




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Gloomy news from Italy as the unemployment rate hit a new record high of 12.5% in September.

It was the highest since the statistics office records began in 1977, and compared with an upwardly revised rate of 12.4% in August. It was worse than the 12.3% predicted by economists.

Youth unemployment also rose to a fresh high of 40.4% from 40.2% a month earlier.

Italy's economy shrank in the third quarter, remaining in recession and lagging other eurozone economies which have started to grow again. Spain, which has been among the hardest hit eurozone economies, grew by 0.1% between July and September.

George NO. Ive made it pretty well known that Im a floating voter and have voted for both the 2 big partys. Democracy on the day played its part, we voted no because to put it bluntly,we think Cameron is a wassok and his policy on the EEC is letting UKIP steal Tory votes.

I must add at this point that I am also a member of both my local labour and liberal clubs.

Haystack - 31 Oct 2013 15:44 - 31975 of 31977

Why is queue jumping wrong. The UK is unusual in that we seem to treat queuing as normal. ..........ends

well first its derd ignorant, and secondly why should wealth decide the outcome of two individuals futures especially when those two individuals havent earnt any rights over each other.