Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

juncker can splutter as much as he likes but, especially if it's a close vote (who knows), there are going to be some serious rumblings from other member states about all sorts of aspects of this gravy train

camerons already had the pleasure of TRYING to getting eu reform, and failed miserably...

And for the snake oil salesman to claim that it would continue on Friday shows you what a LYING cnut cameron is...

VOTE OUT....VOTE OUT....VOTE OUT....

P. 3192 anyone?

And yes you can use a pen and it won't be classed as a spoilt paper..

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36584905

stan try..

bbc.co.uk/democracylive/europe-25717214

Markus Kerber, head of the highly influential BDI, which represents German industry, has said that his organisation will press politicians in Europe hard to make sure businesses in the UK and the EU retain full, equal access to each other's markets after ‪#‎Brexit‬. Anything less would threaten jobs on both sides and serve no-one – least of all the Eurozone, which is in desperate trouble.

GB - as i wrote at the time, DC really didn't have any cards to play and i feel he has been very unfairly slated, though he was certainly painted into a corner

however, and as i have written several times, there are some serious unrest growing in member states, and indeed there have been some interesting comments in recent days obliquely alluding to same from several plutocrats

Cameroon held all the cards, he simply didn't have the balls to play them.

Indeed he signalled as much by telling the €uropods that he would stay whatever happened...what a plank!

he only had the nuclear button and you can only play that once

The only winners from this EU set up will be organised crime , the Mafias already in there and more to come . All allowed to just walk into any country they want . And we have a chance to limit it but our Dave doesn't even want to entertain it .

DC ignored many in his cabinet who wanted him to demand more than what he went to the table with, and the card he should have played was the one he said he would, ie campaign to LEAVE. There is absolutely no doubt that he conned the British people.
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Who said anything about nuc buttons?

Cameroon effectively capitulated even before the negotiations started by saying he was for staying regardless.

They let countries in to the EU when they haven't fulfilled the criteria , this will happen with Turkey no doubt .

I'm not sure cameron capitulated, he just dosn't want to leave, he's a europhile.

almost but not quite as many unknowns for the future if we stay rather than go

I've just read on BBC Laura Kuenssberg saying that certain Tory people are saying it's possible that there will be a leadership contest or even resign immediately if the vote is out for Cameron . A bit different to Haystack version .

Denmark will be watching close. Polling suggests there's growing support in Denmark for a referendum there on whether it should leave the EU. Lets hope they will leave and rock the whole Eu. So still problems ahead.

and hungary and poland and NL and probably a couple of others too

Perhaps it will only take one to leave to set off a domino effect.

Thanks for the link GB, but it's only recordings. The search continues.