Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

cynic - 31 Oct 2013 16:05 - 31983 of 31985

Italy is employing my policy of younger workers in exchange for older workers and older workers will get full pension rights before pension retirement age.

YOUR policy indeed!!!!
so with YOUR wonderful policy, how do you propose to fund the pensions for this sacked but useful and very experienced workforce? ........ends

Simple its a straight forward swap for benefits to pensions. GET IT......... less unemployment benefit paid means more money for pensions.

Im suprised you didnt see this on Newsnight last night and on SKY News.

not quite true ..... fewer people are getting married, but that is far from the same thing

and yet again, from where did you acquire this little pearl ...... more and more younger people are seeking individual attainment and liberation.

you really do spout such absolute twaddle at times - and this is one of of those occasions, though you have had a few such fits and aberrations this afternoon i see

31986 ..... more nonsense from you ..... where is this great fund that will not only pay those people whom you (with your very own policy you boast) have forced to retire early? ..... and what about those who are already retired and the ever-growing pensionable population? ..... assuredly it doesn't miraculously appear from your newbies wage packets - and that assumes that the italians suddenly start paying their taxes in the first place

at least as importantly, how will you miraculously replace that great fount and fund of knowledge brought about by many years work and experience?

shall we leave aside how many or even few of those whom you are forcing to retire do not want to do so and cannot even afford to live (as they would wish) on their very much reduced income?

Post 31988.

That is what many have advocated for this country for the last 3years.

It is daft in a period of young unemployment and few jobs, that the elderly are "forced" into working if they don't wish to.

Manuel, I know the arguments about the country not affording to pay decent wages, when at the same time the well heeled take holidays abroad for 6 months a year.


But, I think that when you get up in the morning you sometimes leave your brain under the pillow with your false teeth.

Do you think Cameron or side kick Osborne is going to be called as a character witness for Andy, or Rebecca?


Birds of a feather!!!!!

I agree Fred, on this occasion hes even disagreeing with the Italian government and people.

Anything for an argument, AND his memory is getting worse and worse.

He says their very much reduced income, fact is their pension is fully guranteed wether they are 55 or 65, they get full benefits as if it had run its full course with added inflation.

Not sure what happens if they want to carry on working past 65 but that wasnt part of my inital post. Im all for pensioners carrying on working if thats what they want.

don't confuse voluntary and obligatory redundancy or early retirement

btw, you may spend 6 months a year at your villa in spain, but i certainly do not and could not even afford to do so, at least not in the style i'ld like ..... more importantly, my business would not "allow" me to do that, and also it happens that i enjoy my work (generally!)

their pension is fully guaranteed whether they are 55 or 65, they get full benefits as if it had run its full course with added inflation.

guaranteed by whom?
italy is bankrupt, and will be in an even deeper hole if people are forced out at 55, thus increasing the strain on the exchequer

further, what is the level of the italian state pension, even in relation to the average wage?

you also fail to address the problem of replacing that vast pool of knowledge borne or experience

My contibution to this debate (as promised) is being delayed as I am to busy (and this is for the benefit of you know who) "working".

Just had a close do with IG at the close on a S BET, placed my 77 in the open box but only 7 showed left it for about 5 seconds so added another 7 and then clicked the buy box.

Came out at £777 a point on the lower Open positions box......nearly s-it myself.

Rang them up straight away passed around then cheif cheese came on and said in good faith we will honour £77 a point.......phew.

All altered on my screen , thank god.

What makes it worse it was Premier Foods who have had a kicking today. Could have been in big trouble in the morning.

Stan,

Is that what you call it now?

4 different posts in 1 minute by 4 different people... Is that a MAM record?

Cynic them worries you outline above were discusssed, short term worries, long term more secure the Italians reckon.

ps, Sticky SNR my holiday homes are in Rhodes, Malta, and Ibiza, not Spain.

you have far too much money which the exchequer should seize asap
clearly you're paying insufficient tax

Alf has clearly been drinking this afternoon while others have been working hard to get this economy moving -):

Dave Camoron‏@EtonOldBoys6m
What a way for Old Etonian Mr Brooks to find out his wife, was having an affair!!!

have had a VERY successful day starting at 07:00 with a conference call to the other side of the world ..... that and another deal sealed later in the day will certainly help company profits

Cyners how many new employees have you taken on since this so called recovery started 3 months ago??????

none in uk, as we moved nearly all the admin etc to our NL office a couple of years back, but i think 3 or 4 extra in that office over the last year .... in fact, our company (and industry) is labour lean but capital greedy, and a good job too, as otherwise i doubt we would have survived some of the nasty times encountered in the last 30 years

more generally, don't forget that companies still have a lot of slack to take up before they need to start employing (many) more, but that does not mean the economy and the money in it is not growing

QUESTION

goldfinger - 31 Oct 2013 17:26 - 32003 of 32004

Cyners how many new employees have you taken on since this so called recovery started 3 months ago??????

ANSWER

cynic - 31 Oct 2013 17:33 - 32004 of 32004

none in uk .......................ends



I rest my case.

Like I said this morning these so called jobs Camoron talks about are Mickey Mouse jobs on fixed training contracts in the likes of Poundland or Poundstretcher. Subsidising the employer.