Fred1new
- 06 Jan 2009 19:22
Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?
If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?
Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?
What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?
Princess_Zubi
- 08 Jan 2009 19:29
- 32 of 94
Look, if there was no 'Global Terrorism', what would the US army do..?
sivad
- 08 Jan 2009 19:32
- 33 of 94
cynic you state "but there is no doubt that Israel has made Gaza little better than a ghetto of the type initially imposed on the Jews in Warsaw. "
You should be ashamed of the comparison-450,000 people herded in to an area large enough to house maybe 70,000-starved to death-zero medical equipment,left to die in the open,before being rounded up by those Nazi bastards every day of every week to be transported in cattle trucks to a fate worse than anyone could have imagined in those concentration camps set up for one purpose only.
How you can compare the two is beyond me and smacks of a total and utter lack of knowledge. Your comments are based on tv reporting i am afraid.
Everyone seems to have forgotten who the perpertrators of 9/11 7/7 Glasgow airport ,Lockerbie-the list is endless were.
I cannot recall a pre emptive terror attack in recent times carried out by israel which is meant to kill and maim any civilian which is what Hamas, Hizbollah and the other Paelstinian terror groups plan and execute at will-including suicide bombings in Iraq,Bali ,Pakistanetc etc etc.
This is why the US and no Arab state has condemned Israel outright-apart from Syria.
These Arab states are more afraid of Islamic fundamentalism entering their society.
They are happy to let Israel do the dirty work and take the public beating.
cynic
- 08 Jan 2009 19:49
- 34 of 94
SIVAD .... now you know why i inserted the word initially .... the polish ghettos were progressively shrunk and more and more restrictions placed on the inmates
ptholden
- 08 Jan 2009 20:40
- 35 of 94
"Israel's population was formed by an influx of mainly Jews from Europe and America, who colonised part of Palestinian land.
Will the nomadic Palestinian tribes be allowed to return to the land now named as Israel?
If so will they have equal rights?"
Perhaps Syria and Jordan should also return Palestinian Lands, which actually comprise a much larger part of such than the State Of Israel.
I can assume Fred that you will be lobbying the Embassies of both countries for restitution or does your argument only extend as far as Israel?
Fred1new
- 08 Jan 2009 20:53
- 36 of 94
No, That maybe part of the settlement.
ptholden
- 08 Jan 2009 20:59
- 37 of 94
LoL - In your dreams.
Hypocritical as always.
required field
- 08 Jan 2009 21:43
- 38 of 94
2 lots of people living on the same land.......spells trouble !, ...let's hope that they can bring peace that means something.....no rockets being fired and no shelling, and keep to that promise. If Hamas or others fire rockets ...the Israelis will respond, it's as simple as that.....if there was long lasting peace you would have Jews investing in Gaza and the region would prosper !.
Haystack
- 08 Jan 2009 22:03
- 39 of 94
Unfortunately the problem remains religion and ideology. Hamas and Iran in particular are dedicated to the removal of the state of Israel. No truce or peaceful settlement will stop that. It is similar to North and South Ireland only much much worse. I doubt there will be a real settlement in any of our lifetimes.
required field
- 08 Jan 2009 22:18
- 40 of 94
Then this is depressing that no solution can be found !.
fahel
- 08 Jan 2009 22:21
- 41 of 94
If you read the Bible you will know that the land called Palestine, Jews and Arab was living their.. it was not a Jews state neither the arab it was called Palestine.
2nd who crossified Jesus?.
Anyway I am not with any kind of killing or war I am not with Hamas or Israel or with any one who supports war, I am with the people who support peace, even I know that my words does not do any thing for stopping the war or the killing machine in both places as I know the killing from the devils hand whom we should fight.
But looking to the whole situation I know in fact if 1.5 Mil person lives in a large prison and can't move from a place to another I mean (61 Year in the same situation) in the same teritory not even they can not go to visit their immediate relatives who are few minutes away from them lives across the Israeli fence, also i know for sure that Palestinian people can't build or do any home remodeling or fixing to their own houses unless they got a the permit from Israel, and to get the permit they need to pay very high taxes even with that they do not get it.
I think this is some of the reason why it is dealt in this way,
Do you know that in each Palestinian house has at least one person killed or in the Israeli prison.
you said :-
28 deaths caused by rockets and mortars fired from Gaza into Israel since 2001. including Israelis, Palestinians and foreign workers
1,000+ people in Israel injured from rockets and mortars fired from Gaza since 2001, including Israelis, Palestinians and foreign workers.
Do you know how many infants and women died in the past 10 days in Gasa only, will you please also count the arab people who got killed since 2001.
will you please put the full statistics for both sides not only one side (Israeli side only) for all the items mentioned above
Do you know that Gaza and other Palesinian teritory are big prison, Do you remeber the late Palesinian President Yaser Arafat when Israeli occupied him in his office for months untill his death.
Do you know that Palestine is an occupied teritories.
Do you know that since when the peace process started and what happend to it why till now why their is no peace oh come on for God sake.
Fred1new
- 08 Jan 2009 22:34
- 42 of 94
PTh. I beginning to think your level of argument is at the same level as Ruth and Gausie.
Please look up the meaning of hypocrite and try and explain to me in which way it applies to me! I am just interested.
Or is your opinion based on ignorance as usual.
mitzy
- 08 Jan 2009 22:38
- 43 of 94
There will always be wars.
ptholden
- 08 Jan 2009 23:24
- 44 of 94
Fred,
Think about you response to the occupation of Palestine by Syria and especially Jordan. I'm not going to do all your work for you.
I can assure you I am far from ignorant. I don't even read the Sun :)
Gausie
- 09 Jan 2009 01:46
- 45 of 94
fahel - please note this is an english language bb - please try to get your posts translated into english before putting them up here. Maybe then whatever points you're trying to make will be intelligible to some of the readers here.
tabasco
- 09 Jan 2009 07:27
- 46 of 94
Fahal.your post looked very sensible to a cockney like me.love in a peaceful world is the message.Gausie.the cartoon man.nothing you ever say makes sense..I dont think you have a handle on humanity?and dont go quoting the pastwe live in the presentdidnt you know?
War = An eye for an eye = many blind innocent people..
When involved in a fighttheres no wrong or no rightnobody has the last say!OK!
fahel
- 09 Jan 2009 09:10
- 47 of 94
Thats right Tobasco thank you, you said what I meant in few words, we are in 2009. both should find ways instead of fighting or killing.
Fred1new
- 09 Jan 2009 09:53
- 48 of 94
Gausie, I sure if you tried a little harder even you would understand his posting.
PTholden, With a bit or help you could read the Sun, I still await your explanation of my hypocrisy.
sivad
- 09 Jan 2009 10:13
- 49 of 94
In this conflict there are no winners -war is dreadful-people get hurt there must be a ceasefire which will protect both populations from each other.
can you trust Hamas? No can you trust Hizbollah? No. Solution-international peacekeeping forces.
Pull the US and Uk out of Iraq and deploy a small fraction of the troops on the borders in Southern Israel.
Once the communities start to prosper economically under this protection,both sides will realise that war is destructive and futile.
Let there be peace.Jews and Arabs are both Semitic and of the same family.
Let them behave as a family for the benefit of the region and of the world.
Israel has so much to offer Gaza -let the Gazans embrace what they have.
chocolat
- 09 Jan 2009 10:18
- 50 of 94
Maybe Gausie was feeling a little grumpy last night ;)
Respect to a former yellow jersey holder - and the fact that your perhaps not so good command of our language has not deterred you from writing your thoughts, fahel.
Frankly, I have far more trouble understanding Fred's posts.
tabasco
- 09 Jan 2009 10:24
- 51 of 94
Chocoyou know I rate your views very highly.but?Freds post is as obvious as the nose on your faceIm with him all the way..