Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

This one's the best so far but not all in English and no translation button http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-parliaments-36596865

stan(3215) if you put the date in the search box another page comes up, then
down the left hand side a list comes up, in the list is europe click on that
and todays proceedings comes up..

Today they were discussing violence in DR Congo..

Thanks again GB, but no video sound to play unfortunately only type http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-parliaments-36596865

ED: The one I quoted in P 3228 would be great if their was a translation button.

Europe getting nervous, as they should.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36599300

EU referendum: Juncker in 'out is out' warning to UK

The UK will not be able to return to the negotiating table if it votes to leave the European Union, one of the EU's top officials has said.

Speaking on the eve of the referendum, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said the outcome would be final and "out is out".

And the UK would not get a better deal than the one already negotiated by Prime Minister David Cameron.

Leave supporter Boris Johnson called Mr Juncker an "unelected tin-pot figure".

The former mayor of London said the remarks showed Mr Cameron's belief that the UK could achieve further reform to immigration rules from within the EU were a "sham, snare and a delusion".

In less than 24 hours, UK voters will head to the polls to decide whether the country remains in the EU or leaves - a decision that the leaders of the EU's 27 other states have said will have profound consequences not only for the UK but for the future direction of the EU.

'Maximum deal'

Asked about the consequences of a Brexit vote, Mr Juncker made it clear there would be no scope for further negotiations over better terms to try to keep the UK on board.

"I have to add that the British policymakers and the British voters have to know there will be no kind of any renegotiation," he told reporters after talks with new Austrian Chancellor Christian Kern.

"We have concluded a deal with the prime minister, he got the maximum he could receive, we gave the maximum we could give.

"So there will be no kind of renegotiation, nor on the agreement we found in February, nor as far as any kind of treaty negotiations are concerned. Out is out.

His words were echoed by the French President, Francois Hollande, who said a decision by Britain to leave would be "irreversible".

'Wrong choice'

Mr Cameron has insisted the UK would be leaving the EU for good and future generations will not be able to "undo" the result.

Speaking on Wednesday, he said: "You can't jump out the aeroplane and then clamber back through the cockpit hatch."

It is understood Mr Juncker was not referring to the prospect of future reforms in the event of the UK voting to remain in the EU, something Mr Cameron has insisted will continue, including in the key area of immigration and free movement.

But those campaigning for the UK to leave the EU seized on the remarks, with Mr Johnson saying they had "given the game away".

"If we stay in, there is no prospect of any further change," Mr Johnson said. "This is it, folks. We have been told from the horse's mouth that any hope of further change is absolute illusion."

He added: "It is time for us to show our courage and our commitment to democracy by standing up to these unelected tin-pot figures."

And UKIP's Nigel Farage said it was the "last chance saloon" for the UK.

The BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg said Mr Juncker's comments would be "used by both sides", adding that they "underline PM's 'out means out' message, but undermine suggestions that if we stay in we can keep pushing reform".

'Mistake'

European leaders have implored British voters to think carefully before separating themselves from the EU,

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said she wanted the UK to remain, while Italian prime minister Matteo Renzi said Brexit would be a mistake of historic proportions and out of keeping with the British character.

"Seen from Italy, a vote to leave Europe would not be a disaster, a tragedy or the end of the world for you in the UK," he wrote in the Guardian. "It would be worse, because it would be the wrong choice.

"It would be a mistake for which you the voters primarily would pay the price."

And the secretary general of Nato told the same newspaper that a "fragmented Europe" risked greater instability on the continent.

While maintaining the decision was one for the British public, Jens Stoltenberg said "a strong UK in a strong Europe is good for the UK".

He added: "It's good for Nato, because we are faced with unprecedented security challenges, with terrorism, with instability and an unpredictable security environment, and a fragmented Europe will add to instability and unpredictability."

Leave campaigners have said the EU has the ambition of creating a pan-European army and duplicating Nato military structures, claims rejected by the UK government

If we leave there will be referendum after referendum by other members, signalling the end of the Eu.

My wife and I feel we fit into a very popular category in the EU debate.

We really would like to stay in the EU but importantly, we would like lots of alterations to the rules and membership agreements.

Lots of politicians favouring 'Remain' tell us that if we want change , then you can only get this by being a member and voting for change from within.

However, we do know for sure, that this latter is totally impossible. The EU does not work like that. Indeed, it's almost impossible to actually influence anything. It is utterly and totally undemocratic.

Our postal vote for 'Out' was sent off about 2 weeks ago.

Stop hiding behind you wife.

Tell them your vote was sent off in error.


Won't work, but you might feel better.

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There is more chance of modifying the EU rules and regulations if the UK remains in rather walking away through the exit door.

Other than Stan and Fred, does anyone actually know anyone who is going to vote remain?


I know 2-3 definites, all the rest are out.

"There is more chance of modifying the EU rules and regulations if the UK remains in "

What part of Junckers statement do YOU not understand?

I know quite a few. They are about 50/50. My wife is voting out, I am voting out, both my sons are don't knows as yet. One is more inclined to IN and the other to OUT. The one studying Global Politics in London is the OUT and the other studying Physics at Bristol is the IN (he may not vote at all as he says he doesn't know enough about it). My 82 year old mother in law is voting OUT It will be the first time she has ever voted.

There is no chance of modifying the EU. The 5 Presidents said recently that they hope by 2025 there will be complete fiscal and political conformity. That is all budgets set centrally and all tax rates plus all laws set by Brussels.

Obviously you've got those on bb who says they're going to vote remain,
but they're in the minority, then you've got those who write in to the local
paper, but several of those are local councillors or the dye in the wool pro
eu europhiles.

But 99% of the people I meet in daily life are for LEAVING...

That may be due to where you live. The BBC had a program the other night. They went to the Boroughs of Havering east of London and Lambeth just south of the Thames. The people in Havering said they didn't know anyone who was voting IN. In Lambeth it was the opposite. London will almost definitely vote IN taken in total. Manchester and Birmingham should be OUT. Northern Ireland will be IN, Scotland will be IN. Most rural areas are likely to be OUT. It will be finely balanced and probably settled by turnout in the areas.

What surprises me is the number of 40 something's that are for LEAVE.
2517

me :-))

3248

Probably a pogrom rather than a pogram if they went to Lambeth.

My vote was posted a fortnight ago.

What surprises me is the number of under 25's who say (supposedly) they will vote in.

Are they mad? Can they not look across the channel to see what is happening to their age group??

What some of these university graduates have got to realize, if the vote
is to remain and Southern European countries deteriorate further, more will
travel to this country seeking graduate jobs, thus making these positions
tighter then they already are, will then find out first hand what the problems
of the unskilled workers have had to contend with over the last 12 years..

Its what they do. That's why Labour and the SNP want to lower the voting age. Eventually they grow up, have responsibilities and recognise the error of their ways. With some notable exceptions.