Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

The trouble is...a vote for the three stoogies is a wasted vote as well.

You wont get a single promise kept.

hay the UKIP voters like me and my family and friends and others like us all over the uk
WILL DESTROY THE CON PARTY .
a party of liars crooks and evil turds

ukip will take over 40% of the torys old voters

Yep Hays is talking balderdash when he says they wont take seats. They will but not as much as the % of the vote suggests.

Problem is Tories right might seem fit to tie up with them in a coalition.

Having said that itl be the end of the tory pary as we now know them and that will be Camorons fault.

They need more than 20% of the vote to get one seat.

i wouldn't be at all surprised to see ukip with <5 seats and just possibly none at all

i'm also surprised that none of you lot have picked up on this morning's headline that uk population is forecast to rise by 10m in the next 25 years due to the high(er) birthrate among immigrants

Gf
If you are saying that UKIP won't get as much as their % suggests then you are agreeing that they cannot win an election. That means votes for them are wasted as we have first past the post and not proportional voting.

that's a poor argument hays

Where ill the dim/lib vote go?

down the pan!

hays I will along with many more old torys vote for UKIP as their is nn one else to vote for sick of all the lies and crap from the 3 main con parties

and let me asure you their are tens of thousand that think like me

tens of thousands will win ukip a big fat zero seats

134,000. That’s how many members the Conservative Party now has, according to Paul Goodman at ConservativeHome. Despite months of campaigning from the site, the only figure Conservative HQ would release is that 253,600 people voted for David Cameron as leader in 2005. Today’s number means that membership has nearly halved throughout Cameron’s eight-year term as party leader.

Tracking the memberships of political parties is difficult, as they are under no obligation to release any details. The House of Commons Library released a paper in December last year, compiling all the figures they could find. From this, this is how memberships of the Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat parties has dropped since the 1997 election:

ever one at my club have resigned from the party .
and will be voting UKIP that's all I need to know
and I am off to the club in 10 mins bridge to day
and fish and chips at 5.30pm very nice with a few pints

And that is the democracy Manuel tells me to vote in.

UHHHm
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Hays,

Not a waste of a vote when you vote for UKIP, it is a powerful indication of disaffection with a right winged tory ridden con party with outdated economic ideology, and is divorced from the more moderate of the UK society.

I think some UKIP voters would prefer to choke themselves than vote for the tories and Labour will benefit.

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I was surprised when watching Question Time last night how pro-European the audience were. I admit there were fair proportion who showed antagonism to immigration.

Judgement made on applause at the end of argument by speakers, surprise that Farage didn't get the reception he and others might have expected.

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Getting to look like a labour majority and government with a coalition with Lib.Dems who would not dare go into coalition with tories again.

fred - i'll stand by what i wrote the other day about EU .....

i think cameron is doing a good and politically clever job behind the scenes .... there now seems to be good rapport between him and merkel with both of them looking at ways to reform the current lousy set-up

i'm fairly confident that within the next say 15 months, a "new look" wil have been formulated which will allow a positive (pro-EU) result to a referendum

red ed will meanwhile sit on the sidelines and neither say nor do anything and assuredly not promise any kind of referendum ..... and yes, i most certainly think a referendum is warranted on a matter of this gravity, albeit that most voters will only register whether or not their beer and wine will be more or less expensive if uk pulls out

cynic
I agree. There does seem to be moves afoot behind the scenes. Both Cameron and Merkel know that there are several other countries unhappy with their membership of the EU. Merkel is facing a lot of complaints at home concerning the extent to which Germany is supporting the finances of the EU.

It would be interesting if there was a referendum to see just how many people actually bothered to vote. A large percentage of the population cannot even get off their backsides and vote in a General Election ( including Jeremy Paxman ).

you're right, and that would probably eliminate most of the plebs whose vision and grey-cells have limitations :-)

I took the max lump sum from my final salery penison and my pension is index linked up to 5% , what would happen if in the future inflation went to 10 to 15% , I thought if it was a company pension the index was safe.