Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

fred - so in the event of a referendum on EU, would you vote?

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hell
you're wrong as usual ....
it was a pork and clam cataplana and the room was full of vegans, vegetarians, muslims and jews :-)

Yes or no answer required Fred - would you vote? :-)

I am afraid that silly stories just remind me of the Bible's stories and the use of controlling people it was and is put to.

don't be so sniffy!
it's just a fun little parable that might just have easily have come from aesop

Yep stop being so straight and stuffy hays, lighten up a bit, Im sure youve got a pleasant personality but you dont show it, relax a little more and let the normal you come out of the hat.

Hays what you are forgetting is that the Euro elections ARE SO CLOSE to the general election this time and Im sure their will be a beneficial lap over for UKIP.

ps, by the way your team spurs were sh-te last night.....light weights.

sticky - are you giving odds that your m8 fred wouldn't even get off his arse to vote in an EU referendum?

Nah, its up to the individual.

As far as Im concerned Im fed up of folk making other folk do things they dont want to do. Its becoming a National pastime in this country and is a pain in the ass, not that Ive ever had a pain in the ass mind.

F F Sake society in general leave others alone do do what THEY want to do and not what you perceive they should do.

Now Ive said that Cyners I insist you jump off the edge of that 2000 foot cliff...lol. wink.

it's just that fred was waxing lyrical about the benefits of the EU etc etc, so i reckoned it was a fair question

UKIP will do well in the EU elections as it is a proportional system. If we had a proportional system then UKIP would get maybe 15% of the MPs. But we have first past the post so they will get zero. You only have to look at the experience of the Libs to see the problem. They got large percentages of the vote over the years, but never make a breakthrough in terms of numbers of MPs.

Well you can still debate without voting. Nothing wrong with that.

I dont vote in my local council elections because theirs no point in it.

I live on the very edge of a boundary where most people are muslims. The brothers all vote for their brother the liberal, BUT previously to this he was a conservative and defected and they all voted again for him.

So whats the point in me going out to vote tory when i know its just a waste of time, might aswel bray my head against a brick wall.

DB,

For what?

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Hays.

When many realise that they are atheists, it gives them the freedom to consider their own morality and allows them freedom to attempt to choose they own morality and lifestyle.

Some it excuses them to go one way and while others may chose a different one. Many modify their stances, goals a modify modus operandi in response to experiences throughout their life.

Without absolute points of reference, i.e. the position of an atheist, it seems difficult to consider which individual’s choices may be right, or wrong.

“Bible's stories and the use of controlling people it was and is put to.”

I don’t know many, but some possibly trying to give people a possibly different understanding of a problem, which allows the formation of a different model of understanding and allow for different behaviours or reactions..
(Modelling)

Giving people chances to look at situations, or problems in a different ways is not controlling, it can be liberating by giving them alternate ways of considering problems.

It is also challenging, and allowing for reconsideration of previous stances.

Also, in general the majority of religions seem to me tend to prefer or advocate a harmonious life for all, rather than what is good for one, or a small group.

Unfortunately, too often it is an individual or small group of individuals who abuse the religion for their own advantages by using it to control others. (Is your form of toryism a belief system, or a religion? Or are your beliefs based on crude Darwinism?)


Reminds me of the epitaph on an atheist’s grave.

Here lies an atheist
All dressed up,
And no place to go

Cynic,

I doubt that I will vote in any election.

But nothing is certain, other than death!

8-)

Ahhhhhhhhhh but Hays you are forgetting about possible defections from Tory to UKIP and a lot of voters will stay loyal to the person not the party and a snowball could develop.

Dont think it cant happen because their have been certain rumblings already and we are quite a way off the euro elections.

We had defections from Labour to the SDP. Where are they now as a party? They are buried in the Libs. UKIP is in even a worse position than the SDP. The SDP had cabinet level defeated and household names with track records and good experience of government. It is very difficult to change the mould of UK politics especially as UKIP is a one policy party with no experience.

Here lies an atheist
All dressed up,
And no place to go

So there is no Hell then ? unless you are forced to read Fred's long winded replys over and over again.

Here lies an atheist
All dressed up,
And not expecting anywhere to go!"

Wonder what you would look any better embalmed.

Would that change expectations?

Is that how ancient Egyptians assumed immortality?

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To-morrow, I am meeting two friends, one of whom I haven't seen for 57 years was a rampant young conservative, agnostic and turned into a solicitor.

It will be interesting to see how his views have changed.

The other who I used to play chess with was a "god fearing" Christian and got a 1st in and PhD in Mathematics at Oxford. (The latter in 2 years.) Also, still continuing research after 50 odd years in applied Maths etc..

When we last met about 12 months ago I was surprised by him saying he still played the organ in Chapel and was a Christian going to the chapel regularly, but seems sane in all other aspects.


Religion is an acceptance of a belief.

fred - so much for your so-called convictions ..... load of baloney