Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Now Ive said that Cyners I insist you jump off the edge of that 2000 foot cliff...lol. wink.

it's just that fred was waxing lyrical about the benefits of the EU etc etc, so i reckoned it was a fair question

UKIP will do well in the EU elections as it is a proportional system. If we had a proportional system then UKIP would get maybe 15% of the MPs. But we have first past the post so they will get zero. You only have to look at the experience of the Libs to see the problem. They got large percentages of the vote over the years, but never make a breakthrough in terms of numbers of MPs.

Well you can still debate without voting. Nothing wrong with that.

I dont vote in my local council elections because theirs no point in it.

I live on the very edge of a boundary where most people are muslims. The brothers all vote for their brother the liberal, BUT previously to this he was a conservative and defected and they all voted again for him.

So whats the point in me going out to vote tory when i know its just a waste of time, might aswel bray my head against a brick wall.

DB,

For what?

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Hays.

When many realise that they are atheists, it gives them the freedom to consider their own morality and allows them freedom to attempt to choose they own morality and lifestyle.

Some it excuses them to go one way and while others may chose a different one. Many modify their stances, goals a modify modus operandi in response to experiences throughout their life.

Without absolute points of reference, i.e. the position of an atheist, it seems difficult to consider which individual’s choices may be right, or wrong.

“Bible's stories and the use of controlling people it was and is put to.”

I don’t know many, but some possibly trying to give people a possibly different understanding of a problem, which allows the formation of a different model of understanding and allow for different behaviours or reactions..
(Modelling)

Giving people chances to look at situations, or problems in a different ways is not controlling, it can be liberating by giving them alternate ways of considering problems.

It is also challenging, and allowing for reconsideration of previous stances.

Also, in general the majority of religions seem to me tend to prefer or advocate a harmonious life for all, rather than what is good for one, or a small group.

Unfortunately, too often it is an individual or small group of individuals who abuse the religion for their own advantages by using it to control others. (Is your form of toryism a belief system, or a religion? Or are your beliefs based on crude Darwinism?)


Reminds me of the epitaph on an atheist’s grave.

Here lies an atheist
All dressed up,
And no place to go

Cynic,

I doubt that I will vote in any election.

But nothing is certain, other than death!

8-)

Ahhhhhhhhhh but Hays you are forgetting about possible defections from Tory to UKIP and a lot of voters will stay loyal to the person not the party and a snowball could develop.

Dont think it cant happen because their have been certain rumblings already and we are quite a way off the euro elections.

We had defections from Labour to the SDP. Where are they now as a party? They are buried in the Libs. UKIP is in even a worse position than the SDP. The SDP had cabinet level defeated and household names with track records and good experience of government. It is very difficult to change the mould of UK politics especially as UKIP is a one policy party with no experience.

Here lies an atheist
All dressed up,
And no place to go

So there is no Hell then ? unless you are forced to read Fred's long winded replys over and over again.

Here lies an atheist
All dressed up,
And not expecting anywhere to go!"

Wonder what you would look any better embalmed.

Would that change expectations?

Is that how ancient Egyptians assumed immortality?

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To-morrow, I am meeting two friends, one of whom I haven't seen for 57 years was a rampant young conservative, agnostic and turned into a solicitor.

It will be interesting to see how his views have changed.

The other who I used to play chess with was a "god fearing" Christian and got a 1st in and PhD in Mathematics at Oxford. (The latter in 2 years.) Also, still continuing research after 50 odd years in applied Maths etc..

When we last met about 12 months ago I was surprised by him saying he still played the organ in Chapel and was a Christian going to the chapel regularly, but seems sane in all other aspects.


Religion is an acceptance of a belief.

fred - so much for your so-called convictions ..... load of baloney

Explain yourself before you next glass of moonshine.

no need to .... your blather + inaction speak volumes .... "oh it's my democratic right ..... blah, blah, blah", yet you are prepared to do nothing at all, not even to get off your arse to vote, and just snipe and gripe incessantly ..... pah!

Not changing the subject, well worth a watch :-))

Fred, did you answer the question - if there was a referendum on Europe would you bother to get off your backside and vote? If you cannot be bothered to vote then you lose the right to complain - simples.

LOL. Good one DC.

Look Fred, within the board limits can say what he wants here.

Just because a few of you dont like what he represents and says doesnt make him a bad person. In fact theirs a fair balance between pro and anti, just as their is with Cynic(and I appreciate both) so lets carry on debating without the silly personal side swipes.

I thought Capitalism was all about being free to be able to speak 'YOUR SAY', your mind, so come on lads change the record Im personally fed up of hearing this Camoron government have cut down on red tape but in real life especially on my benefits advise watch have found rules and regulations have increased at least 2 fold and thats after the wally I D Smith as wasted £445 million pounds which will be written off.

Its a disgrace.

GF,

Thanks for your support.

If some read my postings, (jottings) they may see that often I am simply challenging held views and presenting a opposing balance.

Mind I am having difficulties with Cynic and Hays. Think sometimes they need remedial therapy.


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Db4/

It is very unlikely that I vote, unless one of the candidates offered me a drink.

I suppose in one way some of the tories voters are being by Cameron's bribes nearer the date.

But, he is like a barrow boy, here to-day and gone to-morrow.

What would I be voting for, if I did.
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Dreams.

Saw the film some years ago.

I liked Walter Matthau humour.

I imagine Cynic to look a little like him.

Hays, God knows what he looks like.


8-)

If you want some entertainment then go to the public gallery at the regular London Assembly Mayor's question time meetings. You can witness Labour being picky on every minute thing and getting absolutely no where. Boris sails through the meetings with no one managing to land a punch on him. I took my kids there a couple of years ago.