Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Immigration: Britain’s doors are wide open, and we can’t even talk about it

A wave of Romanians and Bulgarians is heading our way, thanks to the EU’s lack of democracy



A Roma landworker in Bulgaria: the Roma have every incentive to escape from Eastern Europe, where they have been persecuted and are often viewed as criminals Photo: ALAMY


By Peter Oborne

8:18PM GMT 13 Nov 2013

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10446890/Immigration-Britains-doors-are-wide-open-and-we-cant-even-talk-about-it.html



Few decent people would question the nobility of the original European idea. Almost all of us value free trade, international cooperation and mutual goodwill. None of us wants to return to the bloodshed of earlier centuries.


In recent years, however, Europe has fallen under the control of a new ruling class that has obtained powers which it has no democratic right to exercise.


Think of it like this: the European Union has abolished politics. Highly susceptible to lobby groups and large corporations, it is now out of reach to political parties and national politicians. This is far more dangerous than has yet been realised. Again and again national leaders are finding themselves accountable for decisions they haven’t made and can’t alter.


Let’s take the example of the single currency, which seemed such a good idea to EU bosses. The abolition of national currencies means that states can no longer manage their own economies, and are governed instead by international bankers, in cooperation with Brussels commissioners. This is the cause of social and political collapse in Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal.


Another case in point has been freedom of movement, in essence such a wonderful idea, which makes perfect sense between convergent economies such as Britain, France, the Netherlands and Germany.


But freedom of movement between advanced economies such as Britain and underdeveloped countries causes grotesque distortions. On January 1 transitional controls are to be lifted, meaning that migrants from Bulgaria and Romania will be free to move around the rest of the European Union.

The facts are eloquent: the average wage in Britain is about £20,000 a year, compared with just over £3,000 in Bulgaria and £4,000 in Romania. This means that the vast majority of Bulgarians are living far below what we in Britain are privileged to regard as the poverty line. The average earnings in these deprived Eastern European states are considerably less than half our minimum wage.

This enormous disparity means that it would be economic madness for Bulgarians and Romanians not to take advantage of the freedoms they are suddenly being offered. A large number of them are certain to travel to Britain (and other EU states) next year. Exactly how many it is difficult to say. Ten years ago, when transitional controls were lifted for Poles, Labour ministers said that no more than 13,000 would enter Britain every year. In the event around one million came.

There are reasons to doubt that the influx will be so large this time. Sir Andrew Green of MigrationWatch (disgracefully treated by the BBC as a Right-wing alarmist 10 years ago) has provided more accurate, responsible and truthful predictions than anyone else. He guesses that around 250,000 additional migrants will travel to Britain over the next five years.

Among them will be an unknown number of Roma, a wandering people who are thought by some scholars to have come to Europe after a long migration from the modern Indian state of Rajastan. They have every incentive to escape from Eastern Europe, where they have been cruelly persecuted and are often viewed as criminals. Whether they receive a warm welcome in Britain remains to be seen. Earlier this week, David Blunkett, a former Labour home secretary, warned that their arrival might spark riots.

I wonder whether Mr Blunkett, who was speaking out on the basis of problems with Roma in his Sheffield constituency, was wise to make his inflammatory remarks. Yet, he is a politician. He surely has a duty to speak up for his voters. Nobody in Britain – or any other European country – has voted for this fresh wave of immigration. Nobody asked for it, and almost nobody wants it.

This is the trouble with the European Union. Decisions are made, no one knows where, which have enormous consequences for the lives of ordinary people, and local politicians are helpless.

The new migrants will be hungry for jobs, and are bound to price some British workers out of the market. They will have the right to use our schools and NHS, which are already creaking. They will need housing, and welfare benefits.

This is not a selfish Right-wing cause, as some still assert. The British Labour Party, backed by the trade union movement, fought a great, honourable battle in the last century for dignity of labour and fair pay. This is all being lost, thanks in part to the arrival of waves of cheap labour from the east. Big business benefits hugely, and the affluent middle classes get access to cheap domestic help. But there is a cost to the social fabric, and it is always the poor and powerless who pay the highest price.

The decision will be enforced by anonymous officials and jurists. Without intending to, the European Union is turning into the enemy of democracy.

David Cameron is reduced to the role of a spectator in a country that he has been elected to govern. Ed Miliband may be Labour leader, but he is an observer as well. Neither politician has tried to defend the influx of migrant workers, which is understandable because it wasn’t their decision. But they can’t attack it either. As a result, an important issue that is likely viscerally to affect the lives of many British citizens has been sucked out of public discourse and the democratic arena. Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative are united in impotence and uselessness.

There is no way out. Free movement of people is one of the core principles of the European Union. The relevant directive gives limited scope to exclude individuals on grounds of “public policy, public security or public health” but no scope at all to impede the kind of large-scale migration which may occur next year.

This is madness. It brings politics into grave disrepute, and thus grants legitimacy to extremists. This makes me wonder whether Mr Cameron, after all, might be right to attempt some sort of action. It would probably have to be unilateral, and it would certainly mean taking a huge risk.

It is open to the Prime Minister to introduce primary legislation declaring that Bulgarians and Romanians will not be allowed into Britain until suitable arrangements have been made to smooth their arrival.

Mr Cameron should also seek the support of fellow European leaders, almost all of whom have just as much reason to fear further migration. He could urge them to hold an emergency Intergovernmental Conference, which could extend the transitional period by a few years.

The moral case for such drastic action is very strong. Despite tentative signs of recovery, Britain still faces an economic emergency. Nearly one million young people, almost 20 per cent of the labour force under 25, are out of work. Some of their jobs would surely go to the new Eastern European migrants. Mr Cameron should argue that this is a situation no civilised government can tolerate.

The Commission would take Britain to court, and we would lose. But I guess Mr Cameron would enjoy great sympathy among his fellow European national leaders. They too are victims of the European crisis of democracy. If the Prime Minister does not act, only Ukip will be left speaking in a language that makes any kind of sense to ordinary voters.

DD4 - no idea from where you gleaned your number ..... mine is from the european tour site (race to dubai) ...... indeed, even looking at mark foster's own bio on there, it shows his lifetime tour winnings at only € 4,365,000 at that's cumulative since 2002

MK - a very good, well thought out and balanced editorial

Morning chummies.

My mate the billionaire had this to say a little earlier today on twitter.....

jim mellon ‏@jimmhk 12 Nov
quiet day.. but watch market exhaustion as i keep on saying...PEs are v extended and markets look ripe for fall ..when it happens brutal

You short GF? Thanks for stating the bleedin obvious! Trade what you see, not what you want to see works for me with tight stops. Tin hat alert if you don't :O)

NOVEMBER 14TH, 2013

No.10 ‘Crippled With Fear’ Over Coming NHS Crisis



As Dave jets off on another one of his travelling salesman tours, he leaves behind a Downing Street operation in a bit of a flap. There is a growing mood within No. 10 and Whitehall that as the good economic news keeps coming, and recovery strengthens the government’s self-claimed central purpose will slip down the agenda. Instead of talking about the economy, the next couple of years will focus on other issues and problems. The NHS, Universal Credit and Romanian/Bulgarian immigration are causing the most sleepless nights.

Sources claim Craig Oliver is particularly concerned about the NHS and a bucket of bad news set to come down the line. Crisis talks have been held between the Department of Health, No. 10 and the Cabinet Office. When Department of Health officials were asked when the good news from the NHS reforms would start to trickle through, the reply was “never”. Winter is coming, and one SpAd tells Guido the Tories are ‘crippled with fear’, if it is a cold winter, fuel poverty and the NHS will come together as a perfect storm, with higher senior citizen mortality…

Hi Chris, no not short just yet I think we'l have another go at the 6800 and above region but get slapped back and thats when Ill be going short on momentum plays that are fully and more valued.

Still hoping though for a xmas rally but I wish this market would get a move on upwards and then back to allow for it.

Take it your still being very cagey?.

Aye GF still long on fav stocks but stops tight.

Think a lot will get suckered into buying today and then regret it come monday.

Fools gold I say.

cynic, these figures were taken from www.europeantour.com. The Race to Dubai figures you quote are the accumulated totals for the golf season to date. The figures you quote for Mark Foster's career earnings are similar to the figure I stated in my original comments - that equates to approximately 400,000Euros per year and not bad for 100th place, especially when you consider that pro golfers are classed as self-employed and can claim caddy fees, travel, accommodation, clothing etc.etc. as deductable expenses against their earnings.

They have found traces of Hays and Cynic.

But as a warning!

Christmas past and Christmas future.

Due to government failures and cockeyed reorganisations.

I do fancy travelling 50 miles to the nearest cardiac resuscitation unit without the latest update facilities.

Just a question, if a 70 year old woman goes with her husband to the hospital across London at 2 am in the morning and doesn't have her own transport, how does she get home?

The same way as someone who lives in the country would get home from even further. Plenty of people who live in the country live further away from hospitals than in London and it has always been that way. Fuss about nothing as usual.

Hays,

You are as detached from reality as many of your icons.

I used to live in the country. I know how far hospitals are away from people. A bit of travelling ng in London is not a problem, especially when public transport is so much better than in the country.

You just want to create controversy where none exists.

Hays stop being silly.

Report on news last night saying people with suspected heart attacks would have to be taken further in ambulances to hospitals that dealt with the tier one of the two tier system.

I know from my fathers experience in this area(4 heart attacks, the last one fatal on holiday in scotland and had to be driven miles to sterling hospital) that the sooner he got to hospital and recieved treatment the better his chances of survival.

Its pathetic that this system is coming into force.

It could only happen under the tories.

There is nothing wrong with a "specialist high technical resourced medical or surgical units" catering for reasonable size areas.

But the A&E units are just that, i.e for Emergency treatment.

Patients should be assessed within reasonable distance of their homes or "accidents".

Emergency treatment given and the local centre and if necessary transferred to High Tech centres, once basic diagnosis is made and with necessary support paraphernalia in place.

Travelling 50 miles as suggested by paramedics and similar while some are extremely able is not enough,

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Also, the travelling for family members (support) has to be considered and costs of them travelling and environmental effects have to be taken in to consideration.


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For Hays to be driving around London in his status symbol is fine for him, but there are many without the status label, the finances or physical abilities to make repeated visits over the distance implied by suggest changes.

As I wrote, I think Hays and his Ilk are out touch, and this government's reorganisation are equally simplistic.

The same thing happened to my mother when living in Suffolk. She has a heart attack and had to be taken to Great Yarmouth, which was a long way away. In fact the ambulance did not turn up for a very low ng time. That was twenty years ago. In London, no hospital is very far away. The two tier system is because of so many idiots in A&E. I have been to A&E a couple of time recently. It was just full of immigrants speaking other languages other than English. There were only a couple of obviously English speakers there. The immigrants seemed to have their whole families with than and were constantly having arguments with the staff.

A&E is buckling under the strain due to Labour welcoming in immigrants. The same is true of local GPs and schools.

Once again the problem comes home to roost at the feet of the Labour party.