Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

They have found traces of Hays and Cynic.

But as a warning!

Christmas past and Christmas future.

Due to government failures and cockeyed reorganisations.

I do fancy travelling 50 miles to the nearest cardiac resuscitation unit without the latest update facilities.

Just a question, if a 70 year old woman goes with her husband to the hospital across London at 2 am in the morning and doesn't have her own transport, how does she get home?

The same way as someone who lives in the country would get home from even further. Plenty of people who live in the country live further away from hospitals than in London and it has always been that way. Fuss about nothing as usual.

Hays,

You are as detached from reality as many of your icons.

I used to live in the country. I know how far hospitals are away from people. A bit of travelling ng in London is not a problem, especially when public transport is so much better than in the country.

You just want to create controversy where none exists.

Hays stop being silly.

Report on news last night saying people with suspected heart attacks would have to be taken further in ambulances to hospitals that dealt with the tier one of the two tier system.

I know from my fathers experience in this area(4 heart attacks, the last one fatal on holiday in scotland and had to be driven miles to sterling hospital) that the sooner he got to hospital and recieved treatment the better his chances of survival.

Its pathetic that this system is coming into force.

It could only happen under the tories.

There is nothing wrong with a "specialist high technical resourced medical or surgical units" catering for reasonable size areas.

But the A&E units are just that, i.e for Emergency treatment.

Patients should be assessed within reasonable distance of their homes or "accidents".

Emergency treatment given and the local centre and if necessary transferred to High Tech centres, once basic diagnosis is made and with necessary support paraphernalia in place.

Travelling 50 miles as suggested by paramedics and similar while some are extremely able is not enough,

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Also, the travelling for family members (support) has to be considered and costs of them travelling and environmental effects have to be taken in to consideration.


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For Hays to be driving around London in his status symbol is fine for him, but there are many without the status label, the finances or physical abilities to make repeated visits over the distance implied by suggest changes.

As I wrote, I think Hays and his Ilk are out touch, and this government's reorganisation are equally simplistic.

The same thing happened to my mother when living in Suffolk. She has a heart attack and had to be taken to Great Yarmouth, which was a long way away. In fact the ambulance did not turn up for a very low ng time. That was twenty years ago. In London, no hospital is very far away. The two tier system is because of so many idiots in A&E. I have been to A&E a couple of time recently. It was just full of immigrants speaking other languages other than English. There were only a couple of obviously English speakers there. The immigrants seemed to have their whole families with than and were constantly having arguments with the staff.

A&E is buckling under the strain due to Labour welcoming in immigrants. The same is true of local GPs and schools.

Once again the problem comes home to roost at the feet of the Labour party.

Doesn't the first line of defence lay with the Paramedics?

ie. The suspected heart attack victim (or other) rings 999. The operator gets the paramedic out to the victim. He examines patient and confirms what sort of problem it is and stabilises the patient. He then orders the ambulance which then takes the patient to hospital.

A blocked artery = questions patient and determines best first aid (eg. aspirin to bust the clot?). Then a local ECG - then maybe hospital for an angiogram, angioplasty and a stent or even a bypass operation.

If it's a stroke = paramedic visits and determines whether it's a ruptured artery in the head or a clot. If the latter, then aspirin to bust the clot. Then off to hospital for better treatment care, maybe open the head for a cauterisation if it's a bleed and observation.

The faster the paramedic gets there then the better the chance of survival. Far better than waiting for an ambulance and ambulance staff trying to give paramedic treatment, IMHO.

PS. Always carry some 300mg Aspirin tablets with you, IMHO. Care with them though, if you have high blood pressure or you might make things worse.

A&E is buckling under the strain for the reasons Haystack has pointed out. A lot of people who go to A&E are not in the category of being emergencies. The demand on our resources, not just the NHS, are being stretched beyond the limits simply because we now have far too many poeple living in this small country. If you go to an A&E unit in America you better make sure you have a very healthy bank balance before you walk through the door.

Hays theirs far more drunks in A@E here in Yorkshire than immigrants on weekend nights AND days.

To just blame it on immigrants is far too easy a get out.

What about all these nurses the tories have laid off, over 5000 since them coming to power.

OK weve alledgedly got more doctors, but doctors dont usualy work at peak times.

Thanks to a poster on another bulletin board for this, which just about says it all really.imo


Importance of Tax Return accuracy
Published 31 December 2012

Here is an example of the importance of accuracy in your tax return.
In response to the question; “Do you have anyone dependent on you?” the man wrote: “2.1 million illegal immigrants, 1.1 million crackheads, 4.4 million unemployable Jeremy Kyle scroungers, 900,000 criminals in over 85 prisons, plus 650 idiots in Parliament, and the whole of the European Commission”.HMRC has returned the Tax Return to a man in Evesham after he apparently answered one of the questions incorrectly.
HMRC stated the response he gave was unacceptable. The man’s response to HMRC was: “Who did I miss out?”

DD4 - your original post re mark foster implied pretty clearly that you were qutoing € 4,000,000 for a single year (2013) and NOT for his lifetime earnings ..... € 400,000 average pa is ok but can scarcely be called excessive, and though he may not be exactly top flight, he has certainly shown great consistency (after a strong amateur career i believe) for about the last 10 years ..... not many professional golfers last that long

gf

Where have the government laid off nurses?

Okay cynic, if that is the spin you want to put on what I posted then that is fine. "European Tour earnings" - I suppose that could be misconstrued to those who don't know much about golf - and I don't agree with your comment that not many professional golfers last for about 10 years. There is a reasonably lucrative Seniors Tour now for the players who are too old to compete on the regular Tour. Professional golfers live a priviledged existence, whether they are touring pros or club pros. Some club pros charge silly amounts of money for teaching, £10 to £30 quid for a half- hour lesson - hardly out of nappies some of them and they think they know everything about the theory of a golf swing.

Exec.

At our ages the best use for aspirin is to take it the day before the MI etc,

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The GP's contract change to out of hour responsibilities some years ago was a disaster.

The con artists in charge (coalition) have had 3 years to change the contract. (Wars were won in less time.)

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My feeling about work overload of Medical doctors in this country, is that they should pull their fingers out, work a full day, start on time, organise themselves and sort out problems as they come through the door and in general practice take responsibility for those on their "lists".

That doesn't mean that they cover themselves for out of hours "problems" or open "evening services", but the responsibilities to a "reasonable" degree should have remained with them.

They should also learn to say "NO" to some requests made of them, and stop signing "forms" which they disagree with. Also to question why the "problem patients" are "problem patients" and modify their approaches and treatment patterns.

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Hays you are writing b---- again, engage your brain, sometimes you appear to have one.

Fred
The doctors refuse to change their contracts as they know they conned such a good deal out of the previous Labour government.

DD4 - no spin from my side, and out of curiosity, how much do you think the average club pro makes a year? ...... are you aware, that any teaching pro needs to take proper PGA courses on same, and frankly, if he doesn't teach well, then he wont get many clients either

how much do you charge your own time out at?
bet it's a lot more than £60.00 ph!

fred - i've prob picked up a fag end, but i think you'll find doctors are obligated to fill out an awful lot of rather pointless forms etc .... if they don't, they don't get paid