Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

But Fred, Don't forget the Sunny Uplands -):

It will turn out that IDS's policies will be a big improvement. I have been to the Centre for Social Justice to attend a talk. They do a vast amount of good.

Ian Duncan Smith I predict will lose the tories the next election.

Stop talking silly Hays even Gideon Osbourne said publicly that he was slow upstairs and dopey.

Not only that but he is down right cruel to disabled people and as put that Taboo back 20 years.

His department his way behind target on Universal Benefit and looks like it may be scrapped altogether with a loss of £400 million to the tax payer.

Hes 2 faced and lives off the wealth of his wife Betsy in a 8 bedroomed house for just the 2 of them. (bedroom tax,under occcupancy etc etc).

I conclude by saying he is nothing but SCUM.

Oh really? You mean like trying to put right the wrongs that "they" are responsible for creating in the 1st place?... Don't make me laugh H/S.

Hays,

"They do a vast amount of good."

For whom?

If so they should be privatised?

Oh,I forgot they will have to give a donation to the tory pension and hedge funds first!

IDS is not being cruel to disabled people. He is ensuring that they are assessed to prove they need the benefits.

Nick Boles and the Cameroons have been getting it wrong for almost a decade


By Iain Martin Politics Last updated: November 20th, 2013





At the heart of the Cameroon problem is a catastrophic mistake made almost a decade ago. They were right that the Tory Party needed to change and that to stop losing elections it must attract new voters. But to attract new supporters they set out to be rude to the party's existing voters.

At the heart of the Cameroon problem is a catastrophic mistake made almost a decade ago. They were right that the Tory Party needed to change and that to stop losing elections it must attract new voters. But to attract new supporters they set out to be rude to the party's existing voters.

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When the row about grammar schools blew up early in his leadership, it was not enough for David Cameron to say that he did not agree with the idea that there should more grammars as a way of improving social mobility. He had to describe those who disagreed with him as "delusional". When he said it he sounded haughty, as though he was dismissing his valet for mislaying the cufflinks. This infuriated many in the grammar school generation – who benefited after the Second World War – and younger types interested in social mobility not fortunate enough to have been to Eton. Cameron could have said instead that grammar schools have their place, that he might even consider some expansion, but his main focus would be on extending New Labour academies and improving schooling for as many pupils as possible.

Where conservatives have won in the Anglosphere in recent in decades they have tended to "lock in" their base and then build out in search of floating voters. John Howard in Australia and Stephen Harper in Canada show that it can be done. Conservatives can win majorities. Best of all at this was Ronald Reagan. He was, in terms of social attitudes, pretty liberal. He was a divorced former Hollywood actor. And yet all types of conservatives voted for him, including those from the then emerging religious right, along with defecting Democrats attracted by his aspirational message. He had a gift for focusing domestically on a couple of big subjects (turning around the economy and winning the Cold War) that might unite large numbers of people. As I have said before, it would simply not have occurred to Reagan to campaign by assaulting conservatives in the hope that it would win over floating voters. He would have regarded it as bad manners, as well as bad politics.

In contrast, the Cameroons were obsessed with a misreading of the Blair playbook. They did not "lock in" the Conservative base. They treated it dismissively, presuming that those they alienated had nowhere else to go. Then up pops Ukip under Nigel Farage. Whoops.



MORE: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100246807/nick-boles-and-the-cameroons-have-been-getting-it-wrong-for-almost-a-decade/

Hays wrong, he uses ATOS a French failed company (labour will get rid of them staight away)who pay no taxes to the benefit of this country and rule rough shod over weak disabled people who cannot fight back.

You speak of assessment, have you really any idea just what ATOS track record is like on assessmet, because if not SHUT UP.

You only have to look at the number of won appeals against their decisions currently 47% to realise they are a Arthur Daley outfit.

At times you really do talk stupid without having the facts.

They are being tough on the assessments which is good. Mistakes are sorted out at the appeals stage. You may say that 47% win appeals. That's good. But we are saving money on the 53% who don't win their appeals. That looks like a good system. The alternative is what we had in the past where it was too easy to get the disability benefit and people got it for years even when they later did not merit it. Overall, a good change.

2.4% growth predicted for 2014, twice the rate of the Eurozone, ok predictions must be taken with a bucket of salt, but looking much better than the Eurozone.
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Hays,

What is the incidents of "suicide" amongst those who have had their allowances cut and frightened by the actions of this present misgovernment?

Are you proud of that?

How much has been "cash" or "tax" has this con party government given to the Hedge Funds, as bribes for future donations to the tory party?


What was the price of the swindling "sell off" to the city of Royal Mail?

Was that in response to promises?

The list is getting longer and longer and at the next election will be read out to the electorate.

Hays,

Bye the way are you signing up to be a boy soldier in defence of London?

Talking of dodgy dealings, Millipede and Ballsup under pressure to reveal the extent of their dealings with with ex Co-op boss Paul Flowers.
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Haystack - 20 Nov 2013 14:38 - 33035 of 33037

They are being tough on the assessments which is good. Mistakes are sorted out at the appeals stage.................................ends

WRONG totaly wrong.

ATOS do not make the final decision as to who pases and does not pass the assessment. They only make recommendations, usually the wrong ones.

Its the DSS DECISION MAKER employed as a civil servant who decides the assessment. He/She may throw out ATOS findings and say person is not fit to work ,and also is the person who refers to an appeal if the claimant asks for one.

So before the 47% won appeals you also have around another 38% of ATOS findings BINNED.

The whole new process is defunked and stinks and not only that costs the tax payer a fortune, it does not save on the previous scheme.

Of course they thought it would save money, but a lot of these so called skivers are indeed sick and disabled.

And it is true as Fred says their are over 450 suicide victims of this cruel policy the I D Smith regime have taken on.

People not strong enough or capable enough to look after themselves desperate at how this cruel government have treated them.

Too many people are looking at isolated cases in newspapers and their job is just that, to sell the newspaper.

The alternative is that you make it too easy to get disability benefit and it is gicpven forever. Something had to be done about the abuses of the system. You obviously don,'t like the system and I do.

Hays,

It sometimes isn't the actions that a government imposes, but it is the manner and the pace of those changes.

It is self serving arrogant disregard by those "who have", against those who never have and will never have.

Not because they are lazy, or criminal, but often incapable to organise themselves appropriately.

Not swindling idle Bs who get away with the mistake of claiming £5000 for stabling
a nag in a barn.

Not like the abuse of promises for payments for advice to over-seas "business" connections.

And although it is good to see the deficit going own, what about the debt and what about the total GDP. This is the slowest economic recovery for over 50 years and the present group of tories are boasting

The employment figures appear fictitious when considering GDP.

The con party is being seen by the public as the party of smears and double standards.

And when it comes to sniffing illegal substances, I think some from the Bullingdon club appeared to have rotted or putrefied their grey cells.

Now that comes on to Ashcroft and his trying to distort the voting of the marginal seats.

The proposed Flowers inquiry fades into insignificance with Murdock creeping in through the back gate of Cameron’s lodgings and snuggling up with Andy and Rebecca, especially with the E-mail and phone hacking going on.

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This period of government appears to be surrounded by the "stench" of "lying and corruption".

Most of it will be attached to the Con Party.

The majority will be voters are attaching it to the old Etonians. Rightly or wrongly.

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DB,

Sorry, I had moved on leaving my fingers behind me, to do the wiping up.

I try to read my posts before postings, but sometimes it gets boring even to me.

8-)

Fred - please complete your post, or have you marmalised your overworked keyboard!! I was just beginning to enjoy that rant and it suddenly stopped.:-)

Don't forget the corruption of the past government. It is more to do with who chooses to be MPs.

And H/S, who chooses who should stand to be an MP... The given Party of course.