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FTSE + FTSE 250 - consider trading (FTSE)     

cynic - 20 Oct 2007 12:12

rather than pick out individual stocks to trade, it can often be worthwhile to trade the indices themselves, especially in times of high volatility.

for those so inclined, i attach below charts for FTSE and FTSE 250, though one might equally be tempted to trade Dow or S&P, which is significantly broader in its coverage, or even NASDAQ

for ease of reading, i have attached 1 year and 3 month charts in each instance

Falcothou - 23 Oct 2008 15:28 - 3309 of 21973

market ticker is anticipating 2-3000 dow drop in next 2 weeks!

HARRYCAT - 23 Oct 2008 15:33 - 3310 of 21973

Simon Griffin predicting a 'sucker bounce' followed by a 'slam dunk' final drop!
What exactly is a market ticker?

KEAYDIAN - 23 Oct 2008 15:35 - 3311 of 21973

Which ones telling the truth?

Falcothou - 23 Oct 2008 16:09 - 3312 of 21973

I'm not sure if we haven't just had the sucker bounce,market ticker is a blog from US he seems to have called the right shots so far...

required field - 23 Oct 2008 17:44 - 3313 of 21973

Just had a look at the final biggest risers of the day pages : the term "dead cat bounce" should used in the plural sense to describe the first 2 pages !.

cynic - 23 Oct 2008 21:47 - 3314 of 21973

what a very very strange evening .... i got off my flight and got a fright learning that Dow was down a further 200+ ..... got home and found down 250 with FTSE being called -200 ..... had a cuppa and watched the box and checked at close ..... what a turn around, and did a double-take .... finish +170 and then +90 more after hours though FTSE still being called -5 ..... didn't believe the FTSE call and actually took out a modest long for the morning .... currently blue, which is a good start.

jkd - 24 Oct 2008 00:49 - 3315 of 21973

4220sh seems to be a major level to me for ftse.
above this i was looking to sell into rally at 5000sh level.
it didnt get there so i didnt sell.
unfortunately i also didnt sell when it came back below the 4220 level.
now waiting to see if it can regain and hold above that level.
( fortunately i did sell a few individual stocks)
above 4220 up to 5000, not too quickly, a period of time for confidence to begin to return, then a slam dunk.
now that would be a potential sucker bounce for me.
i'm currently being caught between 2 hats, my traders hat and my investors hat.
i much prefer the investors but have hung that up until things sort themselves out.
as an investor i am not trying to bottom pick,as a trader i am trying to make some money in the shorter/medium term.
if 4220sh swings high i shall add to my existing individual stock shorts for the medium term.( currently in dec contracts but will add mar/ june shorts.)
would like to see some bounces to sell into.
this is a traditional bullish quarter,so i may now find myself trying to 'defend' my current shorts profits, and at the same time looking to add to them further, and yet also wanting a bounce, weird.
anyway thats my view. if this, then that, type of thing.
since when did markets do what i want or would like?
just for interest ftse has in my opinion broken major support levels but not yet proven to have held below whereas dow still has yet to break its next major support although it is testing it.
curious how all these major long term chart levels seem to coincide with whats going in with fundamentals.
all just my opinion.
regards and good luck to all
jkd

dealerdear - 24 Oct 2008 07:22 - 3316 of 21973

Very dangerous to pre-guess the market. What's become apparent over the last mnth or so is the market is totally unpredictable and any foray into it is almost bound to lead to disaster. A losing money mkt if ever I saw one. As an investor you should walk away and come back another day. The trouble is, as a trader it is impossible to fathom. I'm finding that about once a week a reallly good trading opportunity arises on stocks and that's about it!

cynic - 24 Oct 2008 07:57 - 3317 of 21973

my blue has now given me a very red face .... serves me right!

Falcothou - 24 Oct 2008 08:27 - 3318 of 21973

Dax is nearly at parity with ftse

required field - 24 Oct 2008 08:37 - 3319 of 21973

Very difficult to call this market dealerdear !, the question is : are we anywhere near the bottom ?, if this keeps on dropping ....we are heading for one hell of a recession !, I hope not.....but I think that the UK is heading for years of bad times ahead......This government are next to useless....and the next one are going to start off with a difficult situation to turn around, good old Labour...spend..spend..spend...until there is no money left !.

spitfire43 - 24 Oct 2008 09:42 - 3320 of 21973

This is the first time I have traded during a bear market,(scary isn't it) the gains on trading indices can be massive this month, but the losses could be as well. I'm being very cautious with small stakes, and only making a few trades this month. It's far to unpredictable at this time, and I want to be survive to the other side.

As for my contrarian investments I'm about 25% invested now, but started too early in February, still investing but down to a trickle now. At sometime I will invest at the bottom and come out the other side, at least this way I dont have to guess where the bottom is.

Falcothou - 24 Oct 2008 09:51 - 3321 of 21973

Looking back at last night it looks like there was a downside fake out from 8300. Lots of shorts ordered just below this level with stops above and then other traders betting on a reversal from the fake out especially it being in the last hour, hence a 300 point bear squeeze move in 20 minutes, nasty if on the wrong side.Very dangerous markets as you say only for the most disposable of income! Tight stops easily get whipsawed and big ones lead to big losses.

Falcothou - 24 Oct 2008 09:53 - 3322 of 21973

Somebody just shot Cable down to 1.55, are we the next Iceland?

HARRYCAT - 24 Oct 2008 09:54 - 3323 of 21973

DOW currently -465 so my guess (uneducated!) is that this may well be the last down spike on the Elliot wave.
Possibly the time to start looking for solid companies with low valuation but an assured (?) dividend yield. Mobile telecoms surely must be a sector which is a reasonably safe haven in the short term?
On the subject of Cable, I remember when it was at 1.2 & increased to 1.4. in the early 1990's. We couldn't believe it would hold at that rate, but it did for a long time. The world keeps on turning nevertheless!!

Falcothou - 24 Oct 2008 10:01 - 3324 of 21973

Possibly time to stock up on provisions!

dealerdear - 24 Oct 2008 10:04 - 3325 of 21973

If you can still afford them ....

Falcothou - 24 Oct 2008 10:36 - 3326 of 21973

Cable 1.52! I think this might be the big one!

ahoj - 24 Oct 2008 10:39 - 3327 of 21973

Sharp movement of share prices is all due to compuetrised trading system.

Sell is triggerred by the programmes when index starts to fall and buy is triggerred when it rises, but in smaller sizes.


cynic - 24 Oct 2008 14:00 - 3328 of 21973

wowee! Dow being predicted as opening DOWN 600
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