This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

America has paid 90% of the UN fees, much of the cash has gone into corrupt pockets, African mainly-no wonder the US is hacked off with them.

Saintserf: Re your post 321 about the difficulty of having a Scottish PM -- you've already got one. Tony Blair was born in Edinburgh, brought up in Co. Durham, but went to that most prestigious of Scottish public schools, Fettes (like blinger, q.v.!!).

It's simply that his accent is very neutral.

"I don't think it is reasonable to or long term advantage to excuse abusive behaviour on historic actions. I think if there is reasonable, moderated and even justice for conflicting parties there is more likely eventually to be harmony"

Publication of the two year old video by the NoW yesterday has caused problems already in Kandahar where the local radio is claiming that the videos were shot in Afghanistan. There is a fair chance that Western lives will be lost as a result!
Would it not have been better for the evidence to have been handed quietly to the MoD and publication be withheld providing those involved were suitably punished?

There has been an arrest already for the video.
Can someone remind me how long it was before the perpertrators of the torture of captured allied forces in Iraq were arrested?
Al-Jazeera and other TV stations across the Middle East have been showing these videos amidst outrage at the cruel treatment. Presumably they condemned with the same venom the beheading videos they showed so often.
These neatly outline the very different values held by the different cultures and why I am so uncomfortable with the thought of Iran with nuclear capabilities and Iraq with Saddam still in power.
Alan

Latest reports suggest that the video we have seen is the final bit of a video in the possession of the BBC which shows the compound under mortar attack, and the accused soldiers rushing out to detain those responsible, before rushing back in again with the youths on the video.
Not trying to justify, but as I said earlier, there may be mitigating circumstances. At any rate, it seems not to be the random violence, in the name of thuggery, suggested by the media.
Alan

Actually I think that Blair has a dreadful Co.Durham accent.
and

brianboru- exactly the BBC which hadn`t the balls to show the cartoons, beyond a fleeting moment, is quite happy to risk the lives of both our troops and other Westeners.The BBC needs cleaning out from top to bottom, perhaps the head of Fox news would do the job, the words ` loyalty to ones country` don`t feature in their contract of employment, but there again the majority of them aren`t from our country, and there lies the problem.
The BBC Govorner for the `English` regions is an Indian born bloke,now one has to be careful, racism is eveywhere, but let me say this,if I applied for the post of Regional Head of all the various bits of Radio &TV India I would not be surprised to receive the reply -"Fcuk off, what would you an English born bloke know of our culture, religions, accents, dialects etc", but there again I wouldn`t have the audacity to apply.
These people are in power at the beeb for 10 year contracts.

MAD!!!!

Bling - "When the Army guys who gave the teenagers a kicking (2 years back?) are brought to trial- and I bet 100% they will be found guilty-can we please forget Asia Minor for a week or so and have the media, government, judiciary, loony-left etc., give the same prominence to the UK muggings, happy slappings etc.,then build some more prisons, and make our streets as safe as they once were." Excellent Point.... However prison isn't the answer, I'd like to see National Service brought back but as part-punishment with existing programmes. It may well yet prove to be the force to break some criminals ways.

Good to see US is bombing Iraq again.

They are trying to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqis and Palestinians.

I do hope there is something in the saying "as you sow, so will you reap.

This applies to Bush and Blair. I wonder if it would be possible to bring them to the Hague for Trial for "war crimes".

Not a chance. (they are not guilty anyway).

They would be if I was the judge.

Luckily you are not.

God will judge them, so watch out for bolts of lightning landing on the White house & No 10.

I suppose that might be possible if there were a god.

Haystack, Don't talk disrespectfully of me or I will send you one of ald's bolts of lightning.

40 to 50 iragis being killed every day, the very reason millions of us didnt want our troops to get involved. They have the toughest if not an impossible job of bringing all these different factions together and now looking like we our slowly going to get our troops out and leave them on get on with it.

Im learning a lot about people and all this trust in god business. Good friends of mine recently had a kitchen fitted in the middle of nowhere in wales. Everyday the bloke doing the job talked about god, going to church on sundays and quoting the bible. It turned out the stuff he was using was discontinued seconds!! In the end he did a runner with all the money and not finishing the job. There is no eveidence of wher he lives. 2 years later the units are falling to bits, all the paint/vinyl is peeling off, the cooker is melting the fridge etc etc. I wonder if god will judge him.

Also read the the axm thread where onechunkymonkey tried the same tactic and told me, he and jiggles where different people. OCM said he was going away but biggles as disappeared to. People who do this are disgrace.

It is alright, Tony will solve the Iraq problem by appointing leading Iraqis to the House of Lords (for a small share of Oil Funds). Of course the palace will be rather full with Cherie and all the Bush Administration accept their places.

The properties being bought by in London are for temporary housing for the political Iraqi asylum seekers.

if you watch this film you will understand how we have been hoodwinked into an illegal war..you can buy it on Ebay ..just search 9/11 dvd

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=9-11+Loose+Change

By the way i hope we get intelligent open minded discussion on here and not the mindless rubbish that is posted on advfn...and this is my first time here so treat me gently

we already have pages of debate maestro, have you read any of it?????

kivver...no not yet...like i said first time here...my computer is being attacked on advfn so have cancelled my subscription