human rights when first published a long time ago were fine - however we are in completely different time now and they are abused all the time often in favour of criminals by money hungry lawyers and legal folk - oh and also do gooders who between them just dont have a clue or common sense

yes tanker - if a criminal breaks the law in my view you lose your human rights and take the punishment and loss of rights that is fitting to that criminal action - sadly that rarely happens now

and what the do gooders need to learn is that some criminals cannot change and many do not want to change - and they will abuse human rights and their kindness to their advantage

europe is a joke - we are all different cultures and can not be governed by one set of rules - additionally europe is just one massive gravy train - complete waste of money

jfl - there is a thread for RBS. Feel free to post on there, but most of us aren't really that interested in a state owned bank! Worth trading, maybe.

the kinocks have milked it good and proper 10m all the family on the gravy train
good labour people they are NOT

28p after all the money that has been pumped into it . if the poor old sods .
that could not afford or did not buy into the RI there share sp is now about 1.2p

Surface to air missles to defend Stratford , Turkey to invade Syria and Israel to attack Iran all to happen in 2012 is this the end of the world as forecast by the Mayan calander.

Thanks mitzy - and what about the important stuff - what did they forecast for LLOY? :)

out of all those mitzy the one that stands out for me is: 'Surface to air missles to defend Stratford' i think they should produce a film about that!! stratford lol

on a serious note there will never be any rest in this world whilst we have all the different religions that are in permanent conflict with each other - impossible - regardless of mayan calendar

apart from that minor point have a good night :-)))

& roll on tomorrow

lloy- prob 30p + by mid next week or earlier :-))

prob 30p by mid next week ...lol.

;-)

Just let me see the new year in, before any wars etc. I love new years day, dont want to miss it. lol

its a deal :-))))

iran will be at war within it selve soon the mood for big change is getting the movement moving fast relax and watch the civil war next year .you have now been informed.

China and Japan out of the deep merde' Europe just deeper in. How?? They have a habit of bringing to justice people who through sheer greed bring chaos on many nations.We give them hugh payoffs and send them on their way rejoicing.

I beleive Lloyds will float off Halifax which is a good thing as the merger was a big mistake.

mitz that will not happen but they mat slit the bank in to two banks one retail the other insurance and pensions now i have said this for 3 years now but we have a board of complete dimwits muppets

so good news coming!

lloys is now worth less than the money raised in the RI .