Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

you miss (at least) three major issues ....

1) the tax-paying population is barely growing and may even be shrinking, while the existing poor + uncontrolled immigration is growing hugely ...... how do you propose that all these impoverished families are ever going to be other than a drain on the economy? ..... in addition, there is thus a growing tinderbox for serious unrest


2) 10/15 years ago, SA had a thriving heavy engineering industry, but two very significant players (Consani and Fruehauf) went bankrupt and their machinery and intellectual property grabbed and "exported" by the Chinese .... there are now just 2 in this field, both of whom survive by making a "better product" and also because over the years they have engendered loyalty from their customer base who would rather pay a bit more than buy from the Chinese


3) with the gold price now significantly below its highs and likely to stay that way, marginal mines will now become unsustainable, thus further depleting the exchequer's take

Cynic,

Problems.

How do you surmount them?

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I will come back.

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But.

2) 10/15 years ago, SA had a thriving heavy engineering industry, but two very significant players (Consani and Fruehauf) went bankrupt and their machinery and intellectual property grabbed and "exported" by the Chinese ....




Is that going to be a similar result of "Chinese Investment" in the UK?

(One of Cameron's latest dream adventure."

After all, our investment in the colonies generally meant looting the country and sending the wealth to the UK. (Off shore now.)

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I hope that Desmond is wrong.

“We learn from history that we don't learn from history!”
― Desmond Tutu


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For Hazyone,

It is well known that shit floats to the surface more quickly than gold, but also shit when collected up and dug into the soil it makes it more nutritious and fertile.

Takes time and patience.


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Is that going to be a similar result of "Chinese Investment" in the UK.
no ..... a totally different scenario which i won't bore you with

Message to the next person to visit Cape Town and go on the Robben Island trip to see where Mandela was imprisoned:

Please make a mental note to see if the Robben Island Tour Ticket tills at Cape Town's Victoria and Albert Wharf are still 'Temporarily Out of Order'.

This is 'small change' compared to some of the scams that are being perpetrated but those tills have been operated like that for at least the last 12 years. It's obvious to anyone with any common sense, that someone 'high up' is skimming the takings. If the tills are out of commission then there is no proof of the actual takings and those in charge of banking the money from this very popular tour can put down what figure they like.

Just like the 'high ups' who skim the takings from our hospital car parks!

So again, Why do you lot keep voting them in if you're so dissatisfied?

Was that question directed to me, Stan?

for me, because i think they're the least worst and unlike fawlty-fred, i believe we all have an obligation to vote

How London would have looked without the Thames barrier

WOW frightening.

good news - it took out lots of immigrants and benefits claimants ..... what would you be complaining about? :-)

DB4, It was directed to whoever those are who point out abuses of the last 35 years or so, yet persistently keep voting for them.

Thought you were a polish Immigrant cyners.

No his a bit rough

i wasn't but my grandparents were, but they came in legally and didn't claim benefits - there were none in ~1910 ... also, i'm pretty certain that one lot got dumped in L'pool instead of NY which is what they had paid for (in stowage)

According to Freddie fruit cake every ones an immigrant , something about the shift of the Earths land mass. Well he would say that , to clever by half is our Fred, his the only Welsh man that they don't keep a welcome in the hill side for.

but there's a welcome in the graveyard for him :-)

How do you mean their were no benefits in them days, what about the workhouse/poorhouse.

ID Smith is ultimately bringing that back.

How do you mean their were no benefits in them days, what about the workhouse/poorhouse.

ID Smith is ultimately bringing that back.